Thursday, 31 January 2013

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6.20 Install Guide

In article <0ca50c0c53.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 10 Jan 2013, Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> [snip]

> > I think RPCEmu has a long way to go before it is the = of one of the
> > VRPC-SA versions.

> I don't have VRPC so I'm not in a position to compare it with RPCEmu.
> However, I've not found anything, which will run on my RiscPC, which
> will not run on RPCEmu. The only difference between the two is that
> RPCEmu runs about twice as fast as the RiscPC.

> The one item on my wishlist is that RPCEmu should allow HostFS to be
> moved outside its program folder. This would allow several different
> RPCEmu versions to access the same HostFS, and/or allow HostFS to be
> located in a Dropbox. I understand that this is possible with the Linux
> version - but not yet with Windows.

> Tony

As I already have a number of RPCemu installs, up to and including Select
4.39 I thought I'd have a go at getting 6.20, my native RO Os running on
one of the 4.39 installs.

I already have an extracted RO 6.20 ROM from my real SARPC but I've hit a
snag in the next stage of the instructions.

1) With the Select RO 6 CD in the Win PC drive, how do I get RPCemu to
actually read the PC CD drive?

Thanks
Dave

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In article <6fd6951653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>,
ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> I'm not clear whether its contents are used by the boot and/or system
> during merging or if its contents must now remain in situ. My reasoning
> being that if the merging leaves an instruction as to where stubs can
> be found, if I now delete the unzipped archive containing stubs I'll
> just create another problem.

To install Iconv, you just need to follow the simple installation
instructions given on http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/iconv/

There are just two steps. To quote from the web page:


Installation
------------

You must follow these two steps carefully or installation will fail:

1. Merge !System directory

Use the System merge utility provided by Configure to merge the
supplied !System directory with the one on your system.

2. Merge !Boot directory

Use the Boot merge facility in Configure to merge the supplied
!Boot directory with the one on your system.

If there is no Boot merge facility provided on your system,
simply drag the supplied !Boot directory over your existing boot
structure.


That is all. Do that, and Iconv is correctly installed.


Hope that helps.

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <5316c1268echris@chris-johnson.org.uk>
cj <chris@chris-johnson.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <8645c01653.alan@ntlworld.com>,
> Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> Now that i scary,

>> Lost in Middlesbrough

> Unless you write software in C that makes calls to iconv to process
> unicoded character strings then you have absolutely no use for the
> stubs files, which can therefore be safely ignored and deleted.

You are a good man cj

Blessings

Alan

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In article <8645c01653.alan@ntlworld.com>,
Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> Now that i scary,

> Lost in Middlesbrough

Unless you write software in C that makes calls to iconv to process
unicoded character strings then you have absolutely no use for the
stubs files, which can therefore be safely ignored and deleted.

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <6fd6951653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> In message <723f5a1653.alan@ntlworld.com>
> Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>>> Did you decide to keep the Stubs folder?

>> Err what is a Stubs folder?

> When I unzipped the archive I merged the boot and system. I also
> noticed a folder called stubs. I'm not clear whether its contents are
> used by the boot and/or system during merging or if its contents must
> now remain in situ. My reasoning being that if the merging leaves an
> instruction as to where stubs can be found, if I now delete the
> unzipped archive containing stubs I'll just create another problem.

Now that i scary,

Lost in Middlesbrough

Alan

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Re: Log-in problem

On 30 Jan 2013 John-Mark Bell wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 21:22 +0000, Richard Porter wrote:
>> I log into my eBlah forum permanently using a cookie. Previously when
>> I visited the forum I would be logged in automatically, but for the
>> last couple of weeks or so I have had to log in every session. Not
>> even my username is remembered.
>>
>> Could this have been caused by a change in NetSurf?

> It's impossible to say, given the information you've provided. Please
> set "suppress_curl_debug" to 0 in the Choices file, produce a suitable
> login failure, and submit a bug report, attaching the generated log.

It could have been a cookie problem. I deleted the relevant cookies
and started again. This morning I was logged in OK. I'll see how it
goes.

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <1359584443.31757.25.camel@duiker>
John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 09:50 +0000, ChrisF wrote:
>> In message <1359504204.31757.24.camel@duiker>
>> John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
>>> a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
>>> it.
>>
>> Hi,
>> I notice the Stubs folder.
>> After Boot and System merging, can I remove the Stubs folder from my
>> computer or should it be stored somewhere, and if so where?

> The ReadMe says the following:

> Note for developers:
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> The "stubs" directory contains source for a set of C stubs.
> See the ReadMe file in that directory for further information.

> Are you a developer? If not, then you can ignore the stubs directory.


> J.

I'm always happy to ignore stuff I don't understand but unhappy when a
problem arises after I threw it away because I didn't understand its
importance.

I'm about to assume that, in this case, 'ignore' means the same as
'delete'?

Thanks John.

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Nangreave.

Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <723f5a1653.alan@ntlworld.com>
Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>> Did you decide to keep the Stubs folder?

> Err what is a Stubs folder?

When I unzipped the archive I merged the boot and system. I also
noticed a folder called stubs. I'm not clear whether its contents are
used by the boot and/or system during merging or if its contents must
now remain in situ. My reasoning being that if the merging leaves an
instruction as to where stubs can be found, if I now delete the
unzipped archive containing stubs I'll just create another problem.

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Stander.

Wednesday, 30 January 2013

Re: Log-in problem

On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 21:22 +0000, Richard Porter wrote:
> I log into my eBlah forum permanently using a cookie. Previously when
> I visited the forum I would be logged in automatically, but for the
> last couple of weeks or so I have had to log in every session. Not
> even my username is remembered.
>
> Could this have been caused by a change in NetSurf?

It's impossible to say, given the information you've provided. Please
set "suppress_curl_debug" to 0 in the Choices file, produce a suitable
login failure, and submit a bug report, attaching the generated log.

Thanks,


J.

Re: Iconv 0.12 released

On Wed, 2013-01-30 at 09:50 +0000, ChrisF wrote:
> In message <1359504204.31757.24.camel@duiker>
> John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
>
> > Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
> > a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
> > it.
>
> Hi,
> I notice the Stubs folder.
> After Boot and System merging, can I remove the Stubs folder from my
> computer or should it be stored somewhere, and if so where?

The ReadMe says the following:

Note for developers:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The "stubs" directory contains source for a set of C stubs.
See the ReadMe file in that directory for further information.

Are you a developer? If not, then you can ignore the stubs directory.


J.

Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <6506571653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> In message <6ecc3a1653.alan@ntlworld.com>
> Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:


>>>> Have you the down load address please

>>> It's in John-Mark's message upthread. In case this one didn;t get to
>>> you, it's http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/iconv/

>>> With best wishes,

>> Thank you Peter.

>> Alan

> Hi Alan,

> Did you decide to keep the Stubs folder?

Err what is a Stubs folder?

Alan (getting on a bit)

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <6ecc3a1653.alan@ntlworld.com>
Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:


>>> Have you the down load address please

>> It's in John-Mark's message upthread. In case this one didn;t get to
>> you, it's http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/iconv/

>> With best wishes,

> Thank you Peter.

> Alan

Hi Alan,

Did you decide to keep the Stubs folder?

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Log-in problem

I log into my eBlah forum permanently using a cookie. Previously when
I visited the forum I would be logged in automatically, but for the
last couple of weeks or so I have had to log in every session. Not
even my username is remembered.

Could this have been caused by a change in NetSurf? The forum scripts
have not changed. The only other possibility is a security change by
the hosting company (eUKhost). Most of my hosting problems are caused
by changes to ModSecurity settings.

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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.

Re: JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

In article <b1c32b1653.Brian@brian.jordan9.btinternet.com>,
Brian Jordan <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> I can access my groups at www.groups.yahoo.com - the User name and
> Password entry isn't a problem. This with #841, with Javascript
> enabled or disabled. I can get into my groups, including the group for
> my lathe, and see the description for your lathe group.

I've just re-checked with #842 and it seems to work OK. Interestingly it
seems to manage to bypass the catchpa page I get when logging on with FF
on the PC.

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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <c96f2d1653.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 30 Jan 2013 Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com>
> wrote:

>> In message <39eb151653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
>> ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

>>> In message <1359504204.31757.24.camel@duiker>
>>> John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

>>>> Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
>>>> a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
>>>> it.

>>> Hi,
>>> I notice the Stubs folder.
>>> After Boot and System merging, can I remove the Stubs folder from my
>>> computer or should it be stored somewhere, and if so where?

>> Have you the down load address please

> It's in John-Mark's message upthread. In case this one didn;t get to
> you, it's http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/iconv/

> With best wishes,

Thank you Peter.

Alan



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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

On 30 Jan 2013 Rev Dr Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com>
wrote:

> In message <39eb151653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
> ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

>> In message <1359504204.31757.24.camel@duiker>
>> John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

>>> Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
>>> a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
>>> it.

>> Hi,
>> I notice the Stubs folder.
>> After Boot and System merging, can I remove the Stubs folder from my
>> computer or should it be stored somewhere, and if so where?

> Have you the down load address please

It's in John-Mark's message upthread. In case this one didn;t get to
you, it's http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/iconv/

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
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pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

Re: JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

In message <5316273783Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <1056151653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>,
> ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:
>> In message <5315dd6b66Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
>> lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

>>> https://login.yahoo.com/config/login

>> I'm using #833 and I get the message 'This ID is not taken yet. Are
>> you trying to register for a new account?'
>> You may think that this is hardly suprising since I don't actually
>> have a Yahoo account(and don't want one) but, never-the-less, NetSurf
>> v833 and Yahooo are at least communicating at this basic level.

> I didn't particularly want one either but I wanted access to a number of
> mailing lists they carry, such as the 7x12 minilathe group, and it was the
> only way.

> The mailing lists just run, quite happily, and have done for a long time but
> on this particular occasion I was wanting to access the "files" section of
> one of the groups.

I can access my groups at www.groups.yahoo.com - the User name and
Password entry isn't a problem. This with #841, with Javascript
enabled or disabled. I can get into my groups, including the group for
my lathe, and see the description for your lathe group.


--

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Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 8
RISC OS 6.20

Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <39eb151653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>
ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:

> In message <1359504204.31757.24.camel@duiker>
> John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

>> Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
>> a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
>> it.

> Hi,
> I notice the Stubs folder.
> After Boot and System merging, can I remove the Stubs folder from my
> computer or should it be stored somewhere, and if so where?

Have you the down load address please

Alan


--

Re: JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

In article <15cb151653.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> I don't think the developers, who are doing an excellent job, would
> for a moment say that the JavaScript support is in any way complete.
> If you post a bug report about this, together with a logfile, I'm sure
> that would help them to discover what the problem might be.

Yes, I'll do that.

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Re: JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

In article <1056151653.c.n.l.f@virgin.net>,
ChrisF <c.n.l.f@virgin.net> wrote:
> In message <5315dd6b66Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
> lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> > https://login.yahoo.com/config/login

> I'm using #833 and I get the message 'This ID is not taken yet. Are
> you trying to register for a new account?'
> You may think that this is hardly suprising since I don't actually
> have a Yahoo account(and don't want one) but, never-the-less, NetSurf
> v833 and Yahooo are at least communicating at this basic level.

I didn't particularly want one either but I wanted access to a number of
mailing lists they carry, such as the 7x12 minilathe group, and it was the
only way.

The mailing lists just run, quite happily, and have done for a long time but
on this particular occasion I was wanting to access the "files" section of
one of the groups.

--
Stuart Winsor

Only plain text for emails
http://www.asciiribbon.org

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On 29 Jan 2013, Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 29 Jan 2013, Mike Allum <mike.allum@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > My solution has been to clone the RPCEmu installations and rename
> > them so I have:
> >
> > * RPCEmu - 402
> > * RPCEmu - 439
> > * RPCEMu - 519
> > * RPCEmu - 620
> >
> > Within these I have replaced the contents of the hostfs directory
> > with the version-appropriate !Boot and applications directories.
> > This also preserves the individual emulator configurations and the
> > CMOS RAM settings which is a necessity.
> >
> > My Data and Installation directories are within a 5th directory
> > called "RPCEmu - common". These then have NTFS "junctions" made
> > from them to a point within the hostfs directory of each of the
> > emulations.
>
> A much better arrangement than the one which I suggested. I hadn't
> realised that a junction point could be used within RPCEmu.

Now implemented, here. Very neat. Many thanks.

Tony




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Re: Iconv 0.12 released

In message <1359504204.31757.24.camel@duiker>
John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
> a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
> it.

Hi,
I notice the Stubs folder.
After Boot and System merging, can I remove the Stubs folder from my
computer or should it be stored somewhere, and if so where?


--
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"An so as he knows it's his watter, Duke's had it painted yeller." Aby
Stander.

Re: JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

On 29 Jan 2013 lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> Going to the login page of

> https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?

> I enter my details and after a few moments it comes back and says "This
> page requires that you have Javascrift enabled on you browser"

> I am using JSon version 3.0 (Dev C1 #840) and "Disable Javascript" is not
> ticked.

I don't think the developers, who are doing an excellent job, would
for a moment say that the JavaScript support is in any way complete.
If you post a bug report about this, together with a logfile, I'm sure
that would help them to discover what the problem might be.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk

Re: JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

In message <5315dd6b66Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>
lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:

> https://login.yahoo.com/config/login

I'm using #833 and I get the message 'This ID is not taken yet. Are
you trying to register for a new account?'
You may think that this is hardly suprising since I don't actually
have a Yahoo account(and don't want one) but, never-the-less, NetSurf
v833 and Yahooo are at least communicating at this basic level.

--
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Skype: c.n.l.f Twitter: MrChrisGB

Tuesday, 29 January 2013

Iconv 0.12 released

Version 0.12 of the Iconv module is now available for download. This is
a recommended update for all users - new builds of NetSurf will require
it.

New in this version:

* Add proper transliteration behaviour when requested
using //TRANSLIT.

Fixed in this version:

* Correct handling of trailing valid shift sequences. Previously would
erroneously report EINVAL, instead of silently accepting them.

Changed in this version:

* Master alias mapping file now lives in ROOL repository.

About Iconv
===========

Iconv is a module providing character set conversion facilities for
third-party applications. It is currently used by a number of
applications, most notably NetSurf. UnixLib's iconv support also
requires this module.

Updating from earlier versions
==============================

If updating from earlier versions, please perform _both_ a !Boot and
!System merge with the contents of the Iconv distribution archive as
documented in the Installation section of the ReadMe file.

Where to get it
===============

Iconv may be downloaded from
http://www.netsurf-browser.org/projects/iconv/

JS not enabled message with JS enabled NetSurf

Going to the login page of

https://login.yahoo.com/config/login?

I enter my details and after a few moments it comes back and says "This
page requires that you have Javascrift enabled on you browser"

I am using JSon version 3.0 (Dev C1 #840) and "Disable Javascript" is not
ticked.

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On 29 Jan 2013, Mike Allum <mike.allum@googlemail.com> wrote:

[snip]

> My solution has been to clone the RPCEmu installations and rename them
> so I have:
>
> * RPCEmu - 402
> * RPCEmu - 439
> * RPCEMu - 519
> * RPCEmu - 620
>
> Within these I have replaced the contents of the hostfs directory with
> the version-appropriate !Boot and applications directories. This also
> preserves the individual emulator configurations and the CMOS RAM
> settings which is a necessity.
>
> My Data and Installation directories are within a 5th directory called
> "RPCEmu - common". These then have NTFS "junctions" made from them to
> a point within the hostfs directory of each of the emulations.

A much better arrangement than the one which I suggested. I hadn't
realised that a junction point could be used within RPCEmu.

Tony




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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

Hullo folks,
               Having just been through some clean installs of 6.20 under RPCEmu in the last week I've this morning hit a snag with the networking which I will investigate sometime over the weekend and document if it has implications for the updated installation instructions.


Accessing files commonly between several RPCEmu installations is something I've been doing.  I have a similar setup to share common data on my Windows 7/XP/Ubuntu tri-boot system.

My solution has been to clone the RPCEmu installations and rename them so I have:

* RPCEmu - 402
* RPCEmu - 439
* RPCEMu - 519
* RPCEmu - 620

Within these I have replaced the contents of the hostfs directory with the version-appropriate !Boot and applications directories.  This also preserves the individual emulator configurations and the CMOS RAM settings which is a necessity.

My Data and Installation directories are within a 5th directory called "RPCEmu - common".  These then have NTFS "junctions" made from them to a point within the hostfs directory of each of the emulations.

This works perfectly and delivers high convenience with low cost (disc space is cheap - especially for RPCEmu itself).  The only thing that junctions cannot do is to link across filing systems such as network drives (at least those that don't have a virtual drive letter) but in that situation I use !Omni or !LanMan98 which work very well indeed and store files with exactly the same naming syntax used by hostFS so you can drag 'n' drop them in a Windows/Ubuntu environment.

I use this utility:

http://schinagl.priv.at/nt/hardlinkshellext/hardlinkshellext.html

to create my junctions and it is exemplary.

Cheerio!

Mike

Sunday, 27 January 2013

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On 25 Jan 2013, Peter Howkins <rpcemu.howkins@marutan.net> wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 04:55:08PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote:

> > No problem. If development is still in progress, could I ask again
> > if the Windows version could be made to allow the hostfs folder to
> > be moved out of the RPCEmu folder? This would enable several RPCEmu
> > installations to access the same files, via HostFS.
>
> There is a big can of worms here that needs a lot of work to do
> properly, so I'm currently ignoring it and trying to concentrate on
> emulation issues.

Fair enough, and many thanks for all your efforts!

> > I understand that this is already possible with the Linux version.
>
> Yes, via symbolic linking. Though I believe something is similarly
> possible under Windows too.
>
> This page has a few suggestions under the Sharing HostFS with Virtual
> Risc PC [1] with regards to linking.
>
> http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RPCEmu_Windows_Tips

I'd seen that page, but not paid much attention to it, in view of its
'deprecated' heading. However, as you say, it leads to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS_symbolic_link which contains the
information needed to set up symbolic links - completely new to me.

In case anyone is interested: I have folders RPCEmu_439, RPCEmu_519 and
RPCEmu_620 containing the program files. Each folder contains a copy of
the same hostfs folder, but the redundancy can be avoided as follows

hide the hostfs folders, by renaming them

create a new folder, say, rpcemu_hostfs in the Program Files folder

from the Command Prompt, as Administrator, issue the commands

mklink /d "c:\program files\rpcemu_439\hostfs" "c:\program files\rpcemu_hostfs"
mklink /d "c:\program files\rpcemu_519\hostfs" "c:\program files\rpcemu_hostfs"
mklink /d "c:\program files\rpcemu_620\hostfs" "c:\program files\rpcemu_hostfs"

Quotes are needed, because the paths contain spaces, and the paths may
need to be edited. The commands create symbolic links, named hostfs, in
the three RPCEmu folders, but each link points to the same rpcemu_hostfs
folder, so that the contents of the three renamed hostfs folders can now
be merged in the single rpcemu_hostfs folder.

For this to work, 4.39 and 6.20 must boot from ADFS, thus allowing 5.19
to boot from HostFS, as usual.

Problem solved.

Many thanks, Peter, for the suggestion.

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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

I have saved logs from a successful fetch with NetSurf 2.9 and a timeout
from NetSurf 3.0 #833. The full logs are at :-

http://pittdj.co.uk/temp/NSlogs.zip

The interesting bits are :-

NetSurf 3 #833 on Mac OS 10.8.2 - timed out

(3.240000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 855: bw 0x25baa658, url
http://www.google.co.uk/
(3.240000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 976: Loading
'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(3.240000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_setup 366: fetch 0x25bd8120,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(33.250000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_done 843: done
http://www.google.co.uk/
(33.250000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_done 880: Unknown cURL
response code 28
(33.250000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_stop 725: fetch 0x25bd8120,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(33.260000) riscos/gui.c warn_user 2339: Resolving timed out after 30000
milliseconds (null)

NetSurf 2.90 on Mac OS 10.8.2 - successful

(2.990000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 832: bw 0x25ba6948, url
http://www.google.co.uk/
(2.990000) desktop/browser.c browser_window_go_post 953: Loading
'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(2.990000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_setup 365: fetch 0x25b99e08,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'
(3.200000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_process_headers 1171: HTTP
status code 200
(3.200000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_done 813: done
http://www.google.co.uk/
(3.200000) content/fetchers/curl.c fetch_curl_stop 695: fetch 0x25b99e08,
url 'http://www.google.co.uk/'

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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

On 26 Jan at 13:00, Michael Drake <tlsa@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> In article <20130126124046.GA4257@pepperfish.net>,
> Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> > I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to
> > ask you to see what they're set to, sorry.
>
> *show inet$resolvers
>
> Should give a space-separated list of IP addresses for DNS.

I get only:

Inet$Resolvers : 127.0.0.1

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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

On 26 Jan at 12:40, Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:

> On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 09:26:25AM +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> > On 26 Jan at 1:04, "Alan & Sally" <jared.r@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > > The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the
> > > internet. The message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000
> > > milliseconds." The settings are the same ones that 2.9 is using,
> > > so I am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got a fix for this?
> >
> > I have the same problem with RISC OS 6.2 on a Mac OS 10.8.2. My
> > guess is that the modules are not up to date but I have yet to look
> > into it.
>
> I seem to recall that at least at some point that there was an issue
> with VARPC configuring networking correctly, specifically the
> resolver. NetSurf reads the resolver configuration at start up and
> uses its own internal DNS code rather than using the OS's provided
> one. If VA does not set this variable promptly enough (or it gets
> unset somehow) then NetSurf may struggle to resolve.
>
> Are you launching NetSurf at boot? If so, try launching it after
> boot?
>
> I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
> you to see what they're set to, sorry.

I have disabled Netsurf from being Run at Boot time, then rebooted
VARPC. I then had to revert to version 2.09 of Fetch_NS to avoid
problems with the Download directory. Then I downloaded 833, extracted
and ran it but it still gave the same error about timing out after 3000
millisecs.

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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

Michael Drake, on 26 Jan, wrote:

> In article <20130126124046.GA4257@pepperfish.net>,
> Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> > I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
> > you to see what they're set to, sorry.
>
> *show inet$resolvers
>
> Should give a space-separated list of IP addresses for DNS.
>
Tested with NetSurf Dev #833

VRPC OS4.39 on Windows 8 - Inet$Resolvers : 10.0.1.1
All OK.

VRPC OS4.39 on Mac 10.8.2 - Inet$Resolvers : 127.0.0.1
NetSurf 2.9 resolves perfectly but NetSurf 3.0 times out.
(I tried manually setting Inet$Resolvers to 10.0.1.1 but it did not help.)

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Re: Toolbar Customisation

Ken Ellis wrote on 21 Jan:
>> I am trying to use Netsurf on a Raspberry Pi ...

Jim Nagel wrote on 23 Jan:
> Essential point: which OS are you using on your Pi? Netsurf comes in
> versions for RiscOS, Linux and others.

Had an email reply from Ken Ellis:
Thanks. I was unaware the instructions varied according to the OS
or that I had got the instructions for RiscOS. I am using Linux on a
Raspberry Pi so I'll get hold of the Linux instructions.

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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

In article <20130126124046.GA4257@pepperfish.net>,
Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
> you to see what they're set to, sorry.

*show inet$resolvers

Should give a space-separated list of IP addresses for DNS.

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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 09:26:25AM +0000, Tim Powys-Lybbe wrote:
> On 26 Jan at 1:04, "Alan & Sally" <jared.r@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> > The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the
> > internet. The message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000
> > milliseconds." The settings are the same ones that 2.9 is using, so I
> > am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got a fix for this?
>
> I have the same problem with RISC OS 6.2 on a Mac OS 10.8.2. My guess
> is that the modules are not up to date but I have yet to look into it.

I seem to recall that at least at some point that there was an issue
with VARPC configuring networking correctly, specifically the resolver.
NetSurf reads the resolver configuration at start up and uses its own
internal DNS code rather than using the OS's provided one. If VA does
not set this variable promptly enough (or it gets unset somehow) then
NetSurf may struggle to resolve.

Are you launching NetSurf at boot? If so, try launching it after boot?

I don't recall the names of the environment variables involved to ask
you to see what they're set to, sorry.

B.

Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

In article <aafb401253.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>,
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


> Try also copying cmos.ram, and rpc.cfg, from Samsung to Sony. When 'disc
> not understood' occurs what are the responses to *status and to *unplug?

> Tony


Noted, thanks. I'll look into this next time I get the chance.


Cheers,

Bob.

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Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

In article <mpro.mh1sexh7xwqex005b.cr.bass@btinternet.com>,
Chris Bass <cr.bass@btinternet.com> wrote:

> If you want I can send you the full instructions of how to download
> RPCEmu 0.8.9 etc and set it up to run RISCOS 4.02 (or 4.39) and then
> format the ADFS drive.

Yes please.

Instructions would seem to be quite a novelty for RPCEmu.


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Re: NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

On 26 Jan at 1:04, "Alan & Sally" <jared.r@xtra.co.nz> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have Virtual Acorn on my Mac G5 running OS 10.5.8. The RISC OS in VA
> is 4.39.
>
> Netsurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck with any
> of the later development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833
> with the same result.
>
> The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the
> internet. The message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000
> milliseconds." The settings are the same ones that 2.9 is using, so I
> am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got a fix for this?
>
> The development versions all run well on my Risc PC under OS 3.5. So
> the problem seems to be specific to VA and the development versions on
> the Mac.

I have the same problem with RISC OS 6.2 on a Mac OS 10.8.2. My guess
is that the modules are not up to date but I have yet to look into it.

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Friday, 25 January 2013

NetSurf on Virtual Acorn

Hi All,

I have Virtual Acorn on my Mac G5 running OS 10.5.8. The RISC OS in VA is 4.39.

Netsurf 2.9 runs nicely on this set up but I have had no luck with any of the later
development versions. I have just downloaded 3.0 Dev #833 with the same result.

The problem is that all the recent versions don't connect to the internet. The
message I get is "Resolving timed out after 30000 milliseconds." The settings are
the same ones that 2.9 is using, so I am at a loss with what to do. Has any one got
a fix for this?

The development versions all run well on my Risc PC under OS 3.5. So the
problem seems to be specific to VA and the development versions on the Mac.

Regards, Alan

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 04:55:08PM +0000, Tony Moore wrote:
>
> No problem. If development is still in progress, could I ask again if
> the Windows version could be made to allow the hostfs folder to be moved
> out of the RPCEmu folder? This would enable several RPCEmu installations
> to access the same files, via HostFS.

There is a big can of worms here that needs a lot of work to do properly,
so I'm currently ignoring it and trying to concentrate on emulation
issues.

> I understand that this is already possible with the Linux version.

Yes, via symbolic linking. Though I believe something is similarly
possible under Windows too.

This page has a few suggestions under the Sharing HostFS with Virtual Risc
PC [1] with regards to linking.

http://www.riscos.info/index.php/RPCEmu_Windows_Tips

Peter

[1] I really recommend not mixing hostfs from Virtual RPC and RPCEmu, they
implement HostFS meta data in different ways (Virtual RPC (2 variations),
Virtual A5000 and Red Squirrel implement it in incompatible ways already).

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On 25 Jan 2013, Peter Howkins <rpcemu.howkins@marutan.net> wrote:

[snip]

> Just for info, if you're wondering why we haven't altered the
> compatability page on the website. It's because we still need to fix
> the bug related to booting 6.x when a !Boot isn't present (fix that
> and 6 becomes as easy to install as all the other versions).

No problem. If development is still in progress, could I ask again if
the Windows version could be made to allow the hostfs folder to be moved
out of the RPCEmu folder? This would enable several RPCEmu installations
to access the same files, via HostFS. I understand that this is already
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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 06:24:17AM +0000, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
> New revised instructions for installing RISC OS 6 on RPCemu, to take into
> account the recent testing by Tony Moore confirming compatibility with
> other RISC OS 6 versions (essentially, just changed RISC OS 6.20 to RISC
> OS 6, and added Tony's email).
>
> New version at:
> [1]http://www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk/Installing%20RISC%20OS%206.pdf

Just for info, if you're wondering why we haven't altered the
compatability page on the website. It's because we still need to fix the
bug related to booting 6.x when a !Boot isn't present (fix that and 6
becomes as easy to install as all the other versions).

Peter

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Re: avaaz.org problem

> > > > > > > When sending a petition to avaaz.org
> > > > > > >
> http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_frankenfish_r/?blOZUcb&v=21102
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > NetSurf goes into a loop. alt-break froze the machine
> > > > > > > necessitating <snip>
> > > > I just tried signing another at...

> http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Investigate_landgrabbers_in_Cambodia_and_remove_their_trade_privileges/?blWdqbb&v=20972"

> > > > re cambodian farmers & just got an endless revolving circle & gave
> > > > up after a while.

> > > > So my previous success was premature, it seems.

> > > > Oh chagrine....

> > > Well, something odd seems to be happening. I tried that URL which
> > > went into a loop for a while and came out at,

> http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Investigate_landgrabbers_in_Cambodia_and_remove_their_trade_privileges/

> > Same here. Perhaps it's something at hteir end, not a Netsurf problem.

> Thanks.

> Probably. As I recall, it didn't work that way previously.

I got a little bit further through making a bit of a mild complaint. I got
a message that indicates that it is a javascript problem

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

On 25 Jan 2013, Gerald Holdsworth <gerald@hollypops.co.uk> wrote:

> New revised instructions for installing RISC OS 6 on RPCemu, to take
> into account the recent testing by Tony Moore confirming compatibility
> with other RISC OS 6 versions (essentially, just changed RISC OS 6.20
> to RISC OS 6, and added Tony's email).
>
> New version at:
> http://www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk/Installing%20RISC%20OS%206.pdf
>
> Can someone post this on csa.apps please? (I currently don't have
> newsgroups access).

Done. Quote:

Gerald Holdsworth has devised a method of intalling RISC OS 6 on RPCEmu,
which has recently been discussed on the RPCEmu mailing list. Detailed
Installation Instructions can be found at
http://www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk/Installing%20RISC%20OS%206.pdf

Gerald, who doesnt have access to the newsgroups, asked that the link be
posted here, for RPCEmu users who may not read the mailing list.

Join the list at http://www.riscos.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rpcemu
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[Rpcemu] RISC OS 6 install instructions - revised

Hi all,

New revised instructions for installing RISC OS 6 on RPCemu, to take into account the recent testing by Tony Moore confirming compatibility with other RISC OS 6 versions (essentially, just changed RISC OS 6.20 to RISC OS 6, and added Tony's email).

New version at:
http://www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk/Installing%20RISC%20OS%206.pdf

Can someone post this on csa.apps please? (I currently don't have newsgroups access).

Cheers,

Gerald.

Re: Toolbar Customisation

On Thu, 24 Jan 2013 09:32:03 +0000 (GMT), John Harrison wrote:

> > Perhaps the correct information to provide to Ken, is that the toolbar
> > on the GTK version of NetSurf is not cutomisable.
>
> OTOH, if GTK provides a context sensitive menu using a different button,
> then try that over the toolbar and see what happens.

It does, under the right mouse button, but no amount of clicking is
going to customise a toolbar that can't be edited.

Chris

Re: Toolbar Customisation

> Perhaps the correct information to provide to Ken, is that the toolbar
> on the GTK version of NetSurf is not cutomisable.

OTOH, if GTK provides a context sensitive menu using a different button,
then try that over the toolbar and see what happens.

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Wednesday, 23 January 2013

Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

In message <60253a1153.George@tiscali..co.uk>
on 20 Jan 2013 george greenfield wrote:

> I do put as much as possible in HostFS, but my point was (and is), if you
> use an email client such as Messenger, and do a lot of graphics (as I do),
> it is very easy to exceed 256MB after a short while, simply due to the
> enlargement of directories in !Boot.Resources.

You do not have to keep !NewsDir inside !Boot. I know that is the default as
installed by Messenger, but a lot of people think it's a bad idea to have
large quantities of user data stashed away inside !Boot and if you move it
elsewhere and make sure it is "seen" on booting, then Messenger will be
perfectly happy.

(I realise this does not help with the original problem...)

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Re: Toolbar Customisation

On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:51:34 GMT, Peter Young (no relation) wrote:

> > Ken Ellis wrote on 21 Jan:
> >> I am trying to use Netsurf on a Raspberry Pi ...
>
> > Essential point: which OS are you using on your Pi? Netsurf comes in
> > versions for RiscOS, Linux and others.
>
> Good point, Jim lad, but if his help file mentions Select, Adjust and
> Menu, then that suggests that Ken is using RISC OS :-)

Not necessarily. I believe the GTK version (which I'm pretty sure is
what is being used) does not have its own help file, but instead links
to the NetSurf website. The documentation area of the NetSurf website
is, as I'm sure you are aware, targetted at the RISC OS version of
NetSurf.

Perhaps the correct information to provide to Ken, is that the toolbar
on the GTK version of NetSurf is not cutomisable.

Chris

Re: Clipboard not working #824

Martin Bazley wrote

> The following bytes were arranged on 21 Jan 2013 by John Rickman Iyonix :


>> However, I have just downloaded the postings for Jan 2013 but cannot
>> read them. They are in an archive file - called 2013-January/txt/gz
>>
>> My copy of SparkFS wont unpack it and my copy of SparkPlug claims to
>> be SparkFS when it is run. Any ideas?

> Is this not sufficient?

> http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org
> /2013-January/thread.html

Yes thanks Martin. I overlooked the obvious and went to the last item
in the row - the archive.

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Re: Toolbar Customisation

On 23 Jan 2013 Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:

> Ken Ellis wrote on 21 Jan:
>> I am trying to use Netsurf on a Raspberry Pi ...

> Essential point: which OS are you using on your Pi? Netsurf comes in
> versions for RiscOS, Linux and others.

> Select, Menu and Adjust are the standard RiscOS names for the three
> buttons on a mouse. (If mouse has a scrollwheel, that usually serves
> as the middle button, Menu.)

Good point, Jim lad, but if his help file mentions Select, Adjust and
Menu, then that suggests that Ken is using RISC OS :-)

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Toolbar Customisation

Ken Ellis wrote on 21 Jan:
> I am trying to use Netsurf on a Raspberry Pi ...

Essential point: which OS are you using on your Pi? Netsurf comes in
versions for RiscOS, Linux and others.

Select, Menu and Adjust are the standard RiscOS names for the three
buttons on a mouse. (If mouse has a scrollwheel, that usually serves
as the middle button, Menu.)


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Re: Toolbar Customisation

On 21 Jan, Ken Ellis wrote:

[snip]

> I don't understand what is meant by 'clicking menu over the toolbar'.
> All I can see above the toolbar is the usual menu list of File Edit
> View Navigate and Help. I have tried a right click on the toolbar, but
> nothing happens.


> The other point I am having trouble with is when discussing Toolbar
> Icons the guide refers to 'Adjust Click' and 'Select Click'. I have
> not met these terms.

These are RISC OS conventions, and refer to the three button mouse.
Menu is the middle button, clicking it will open a context sensitive
menu under the pointer. Select is the left mouse button, and Adjust is
the right mouse button.

If you see "File" "Edit" "View" etc. then you probably aren't using
RISC OS.
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Re: Toolbar Customisation

In article <3F3D98959B3D4050A339C1550681C3A1@StudioPC>, Ken Ellis
<ken@kitehouse.co.uk> wrote:

> I don't understand what is meant by 'clicking menu over the toolbar'. All
> I can see above the toolbar is the usual menu list of File Edit View
> Navigate and Help. I have tried a right click on the toolbar, but nothing
> happens.

RISC OS uses a three button mouse. The middle button, or often nowadays a
scroll wheel, is the 'Menu' button, and it is this mouse button to which
the above refers.

> The other point I am having trouble with is when discussing Toolbar Icons
> the guide refers to 'Adjust Click' and 'Select Click'. I have not met
> these terms.

Similarly, the left button is called 'Select' and the right button
'Adjust', and therefore the 'Click' referred to here is the clicking of the
right and left mouse buttons respectively.

Thus, from left to right, the three mouse buttons are: Select, Menu,
Adjust, and their names usually start with a capital to avoid the obvious
confusion and ambiguity which may be partly contributing to your problems
and those of other newcomers to the OS.

Hope this helps,

John

Re: Toolbar Customisation

On 21 Jan 2013 "Ken Ellis" <ken@kitehouse.co.uk> wrote:

> I am trying to use Netsurf on a Raspberry Pi and I am having trouble
> understanding parts of the Netsurf User Guide. There, Under Toolbar
> Customisation, is this passage:
> 'To move the icons around , enable toolbar edit mode by clicking
> menu over the toolbar and choosing "Edit toolbar". This will
> open the toolbar editing panel.'

> I don't understand what is meant by 'clicking menu over the toolbar'.
> All I can see above the toolbar is the usual menu list of File Edit
> View Navigate and Help. I have tried a right click on the toolbar, but
> nothing happens.


> The other point I am having trouble with is when discussing Toolbar
> Icons the guide refers to 'Adjust Click' and 'Select Click'. I have
> not met these terms.

Select, Menu and Adjust are the three mouse buttons, from left to
right. Standard RISC OS usage; perhaps you need a RISC OS manual!

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Tuesday, 22 January 2013

Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

On 22 Jan 2013, Bob Latham <bob@mightyoak.org.uk> wrote:
> > Op 20 jan. 2013 om 14:15 heeft Bob Latham <bob@mightyoak.org.uk> het
> > volgende geschreven:

[snip]

> > > Two laptops both are W7 64bit.
> > >
> > > Samsung - Home premium Sony - professional

[snip]

> Take a working system on the samsung laptop.
>
> Close down the emulator
> Rename the file hd4.hdf to AAhd4.hdf
> Copy file to data stick
> Rename copy on data stick back to hd4.hdf
> Move stick to Sony Vaio
> Delete the existing hd4 file on the Vaio
> Move the data stick version into place on the vaio
> ie. Program files(x86)/RPCEmu
> Run emulator on Vaio *** It fails disc not understood ***
> Copy this new failed version back onto the data stick
> Move data stick back to samsung and copy hd4 into RPCEmu.
> RUN Emulator on SAMSUNG. Works fine.

Try also copying cmos.ram, and rpc.cfg, from Samsung to Sony. When 'disc
not understood' occurs what are the responses to *status and to *unplug?

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Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

In article <B24B1559-5DA8-42B3-9150-7B7A47DCFDF6@gmail.com>,
Jan Rinze <janrinze@gmail.com> wrote:
> Op 20 jan. 2013 om 14:15 heeft Bob Latham <bob@mightyoak.org.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> > In article <5310ebf1d4bob@mightyoak.org.uk>,
> > Bob Latham <bob@mightyoak.org.uk> wrote:
> >
> >> The laptop is a Sony Vaio 64bit W7 Professional 4GB ram.
> >
> >> The hard disc image (long file names) was downloaded from
> >> http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/ unpacked, and placed at
> >> Program files\RPCEmu.
> >
> > [Snip]
> >
> >> Its hard not to conclude that either the emulator or the hd download
> >> is broken.
> >
> > OK, here is the odd thing.
> >
> > Two laptops both are W7 64bit.
> >
> > Samsung - Home premium Sony - professional
> >
> > Install same msi on both machines. Download and install the lager hd4
> > on both machines in the same folder. Boot RPCEmu recompiler on both
> > machines.
> >
> > One fails (Samsung) no !boot. (Easy to fix)
> >
> > The other (Sony) disc not understood.
> >
> > Any ideas?
> >
> Did you dowload with IE? In my experience the downloads may be different
> from the actual file.. Try firefox or chrome. It can happen with files
> that IE tries to auto convert.

> Can you also check if the files are identical? MD5sum is a tool to
> generate a signature based on the content of a file. You can run it on
> the downloaded files.

Ok, how's this then.

Take a working system on the samsung laptop.

Close down the emulator
Rename the file hd4.hdf to AAhd4.hdf
Copy file to data stick
Rename copy on data stick back to hd4.hdf
Move stick to Sony Vaio
Delete the existing hd4 file on the Vaio
Move the data stick version into place on the vaio
ie. Program files(x86)/RPCEmu
Run emulator on Vaio *** It fails disc not understood ***
Copy this new failed version back onto the data stick
Move data stick back to samsung and copy hd4 into RPCEmu.
RUN Emulator on SAMSUNG. Works fine.

This after I've twice re-installed the emulator.

After months struggling with the networking on an XP machine to realise it
would never be reliable or even approach it, to now get this I'm really
starting to think this is a wind up.

Bob.

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[GeSHi-devel] lsl.php language flie update

Hello everyone,

I have created a new project to maintain a database of keywords for
LSL (Linden Scripting Language), and generate output suitable for the
syntax highlighting capabilities of various projects. That includes
the Second Life viewer itself, the LSLForge eclipse plugin, the Kate
editor and, of course, GeSHi.

LSL is quite alive and gets updated every while. Just In the last week
two constants were added. The GeSHi syntax highlighting file for LSL
present in the repository is very out of date and lacks many new
keywords. As a result, lots of webs that use GeSHi's LSL highlighting
fail to highlight many functions and constants that are now in wide
use.

The project, written in Python, takes an input template and merges it
with the database, in XML format, through an output driver, generating
the resulting output file.

The resulting output, which is up to date with the latest additions to
the language, is here:

http://code.google.com/p/kwdb/source/browse/outputs/geshi_lsl2.php

It will be kept up to date with additions to the database file. The
corresponding input template is here:

http://code.google.com/p/kwdb/source/browse/inputs/geshi_lsl2.php.in

The project homepage, including the database and the generation program, is:

http://code.google.com/p/kwdb/

Please incorporate the updated syntax highlighter. Feel free to modify
it at will to adapt it to the project's needs. If you think you
require me to include a copyright notice, or see any other legal
problem, please tell me.

Sei

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ctrl-arrow keys in Ro

Something went wrong with Netsurf's implementation of the Ctrl-arrow
keys in Acornland quite some while ago.

The standard Acorn behaviour in almost all other apps is that Ctrl
supercharges the arrow keys to take you all the way in that direction.
In other words, Ctrl-up scrolls you all the way to the top of a
window, Ctrl-right all the way to the right, etc. (I presume this is
in the Style Guide.)

Try it. Shrink any Netsurf page (with its bottom-right gadget) to a
small size so that it needs scrolling.

In Netsurf #616, and in 2.9 --
Ctrl-up works as expected
Ctrl-down does nothing
Ctrl-left takes you all the way RIGHT
Ctrl-right takes you all the way LEFT

In 2.8, 2.7 -- Ctrl-down does nothing; other three work.
In 2.5 -- all Ctrl-arrow keys work as expected.

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Re: Scroll wheel speed

On 22 Jan 2013 Richard Torrens (lists) wrote:

> In article <mpro.mgxcqe03fwazk01j8.lists@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
> Steve Fryatt <lists@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 20 Jan, "Richard Torrens (lists)" wrote in message
>> <5310fde37bLists@Torrens.org.uk>:

>>> The main problem I find is not the speed, but the fact that there is a
>>> buffer somewhere that stores scroll clicks, so that scrolling continues
>>> after the wheel is stopped.

>> That's in RISC OS, and happens when the app doesn't take scroll events as
>> quickly as you produce them. See also scrolling via PageUp/Down.

> The effect seems much less now than of old. Presumably Netsurf flushes the
> buffer when it returns to look at the scroll wheel?

That doesn't help either. It's particularly annoying with Edit when
you have a cpu-intensive process running in background. Edit jumps one
line every time it gets in.

With NetSurf it's the opposite. I try turning the scroll wheel very
slowly and nothing happens, then slightly faster and it jumps more
than a page.

> BTW: there seems to be a change recently. I have a Macro inserter and
> previopusly User|iPassword|m would enter user and password as it
> should. Recent issues (815, 827 - not tried others) do not accept |i as a
> TAB. UserPassword is entered in the User box, |i is ignored.

I've noticed that recently I've had to log into my forum every
session. Previously I stayed logged in using a cookie. The forum
scripts haven't changed. Could this be something in NetSurf or could
it be caused by some security change on the server. Most of my hosting
problems are traced to mod-security settings.

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Re: Scroll wheel speed

In article <mpro.mgxcqe03fwazk01j8.lists@stevefryatt.org.uk>,
Steve Fryatt <lists@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 20 Jan, "Richard Torrens (lists)" wrote in message
> <5310fde37bLists@Torrens.org.uk>:

> > The main problem I find is not the speed, but the fact that there is a
> > buffer somewhere that stores scroll clicks, so that scrolling continues
> > after the wheel is stopped.

> That's in RISC OS, and happens when the app doesn't take scroll events as
> quickly as you produce them. See also scrolling via PageUp/Down.

The effect seems much less now than of old. Presumably Netsurf flushes the
buffer when it returns to look at the scroll wheel?


BTW: there seems to be a change recently. I have a Macro inserter and
previopusly User|iPassword|m would enter user and password as it
should. Recent issues (815, 827 - not tried others) do not accept |i as a
TAB. UserPassword is entered in the User box, |i is ignored.

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Re: New clipboard API for front ends, and textarea progress

On Sun, 2013-01-20 at 18:04 +0100, François Revol wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 08/01/2013 18:34, Michael Drake wrote:
> >
> > Text inputs and textareas used in HTML forms have never been robust and
> > we've decided to fix them for NetSurf 3.0.
> >
> > The Atari, Amiga, and BeOS front ends all need updated.
>
> I just fixed the BeOS/Haiku port, pretty straightforward thanks to the
> styles array, works fine:
>
> http://source.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/log/?h=mmu_man/beos-fixes

Merged.

Ta,


J.

Monday, 21 January 2013

Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

Op 21 jan. 2013, om 19:41 heeft Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> In article <6FF50627-B988-4E27-97C1-1C965E76B11F@kitt.nl>,
> Peter van der Vos <peterthuis@kitt.nl> wrote:
>
>> Networking is easy because you can use the network of the host machine.
>> The RPCEmulator writes/reads from HostFS, my remote RiscPC uses FTP to
>> access the HostFS part of the disc. This way I can use it almost like
>> connecting two RiscPC's together.
>
>> Op 20 jan. 2013, om 21:56 heeft Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
>
>>> In article <AFF35C77-DBA3-4C49-AB3C-CE4571362E0C@kitt.nl>,
>>> Peter van der Vos <peterthuis@kitt.nl> wrote:
>>> [Snippy]
>>>> I would recommend to download a small HD4 and put the rest on a HostFS
>>>> disc. This way communication with other machines is a lot simpler.
>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>
>>> Since when is networking with RPCEmu simple anything?
>>> D.
>>>
>
> Unfortunately here it is not simple, sure setting it up is quite straight
> forward, but the method used (bridging) means the appearance of my network
> card is changed and so other things tied to that will not work.
>
> If I temporarily un-bridge the Emu connection so other things can network,
> when re-bridged, Emu networking fails, and even a re-boot won't fix it.
> It'll stay broken until I re-do the install process again. again, again...
>
> Really can't be bothered to do that over and over.
>
> Dave
>
> What would work, I guess, if there was some way of forcing the Emu bridge
> to have the required MAC address. (Same as network card).
>

Sorry, what I didn't make clear is that I don't use the network functions from the Emu. Too much trouble.

What I do is use the HostFS disk. This disk is shared by the host machine (in my case a Mac). My RiscPC can access the shared disk from the host with ftp of samba. This way the RiscPC can read/write files on the hostfs part of the disc.

The emu also read/writes to the hostfs so although the emu doesn't use any network functions, it can still share it disc with other acorn machines.

Peter



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Iyonix/ARMini cookie behaviour inconsistency

In the case of the mysterious 'round in circles' bug 3324329
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3324329&group_id=51719&atid=464312
where it is only possible to log in to this website by first deleting
all site-related cookies (having first refreshed them by actually
displaying the log-in page - you can't save time by deleting them in
advance!), I have now come across an even weirder permutation.

Using dev 825 (with JavaScript included but configured *off) it is now
possible to log in to http://www.ravelry.com running Netsurf on the
ARMini but not on the Iyonix, where the cookie-deletion workaround is
still required. I recorded (and have uploaded) logs of the same
sequence of actions on both computers, but can't detect any immediately
obvious significant differences (save that the *successful* run contains
the line
(0.680000) content/urldb.c urldb_load_cookies 3682: Overran input
...!)

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Re: Clipboard not working #824

The following bytes were arranged on 21 Jan 2013 by John Rickman Iyonix :


> However, I have just downloaded the postings for Jan 2013 but cannot
> read them. They are in an archive file - called 2013-January/txt/gz
>
> My copy of SparkFS wont unpack it and my copy of SparkPlug claims to
> be SparkFS when it is run. Any ideas?

Is this not sufficient?

http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/netsurf-dev-netsurf-browser.org/2013-January/thread.html

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Re: Clipboard not working #824

The following bytes were arranged on 21 Jan 2013 by John-Mark Bell :

> On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 09:35 +0000, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
> > There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824.
> > Within a NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything
> > put on the clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted
> > into writable icons using ctrl-v.
>
> Yes; the way the clipboard is handled internally has changed, and it's
> waiting for the RISC OS frontend to be updated to cope.

In the meantime, there's always this little program, originally written
to circumvent the exact same problem on Firefox:

http://www.starfighter.acornarcade.com/mysite/utilities.htm#typer

I've used it with recent development versions of NetSurf several times
already.

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Re: Clipboard not working #824

Steve Fryatt wrote

> On 21 Jan, John-Mark Bell wrote in message
> <1358761082.31757.14.camel@duiker>:

>> On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 09:35 +0000, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
>>> There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824. Within a
>>> NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything put on the
>>> clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted into writable
>>> icons using ctrl-v.
>>
>> Yes; the way the clipboard is handled internally has changed, and it's
>> waiting for the RISC OS frontend to be updated to cope.

> For those not reading the Dev list, I've said that I'll look into this when
> I get five minutes -- although that may not now be for a few weeks.

Thanks Steve - I have just subscribed to the Dev list - it should
prevent me wasting developer time replying to queries on this list
that are already covered.

However, I have just downloaded the postings for Jan 2013 but cannot
read them. They are in an archive file - called 2013-January/txt/gz

My copy of SparkFS wont unpack it and my copy of SparkPlug claims to
be SparkFS when it is run. Any ideas?

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Re: Clipboard not working #824

On 21 Jan, John-Mark Bell wrote in message
<1358761082.31757.14.camel@duiker>:

> On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 09:35 +0000, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
> > There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824. Within a
> > NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything put on the
> > clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted into writable
> > icons using ctrl-v.
>
> Yes; the way the clipboard is handled internally has changed, and it's
> waiting for the RISC OS frontend to be updated to cope.

For those not reading the Dev list, I've said that I'll look into this when
I get five minutes -- although that may not now be for a few weeks.

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Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

In article <6FF50627-B988-4E27-97C1-1C965E76B11F@kitt.nl>,
Peter van der Vos <peterthuis@kitt.nl> wrote:

> Networking is easy because you can use the network of the host machine.
> The RPCEmulator writes/reads from HostFS, my remote RiscPC uses FTP to
> access the HostFS part of the disc. This way I can use it almost like
> connecting two RiscPC's together.

> Op 20 jan. 2013, om 21:56 heeft Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> > In article <AFF35C77-DBA3-4C49-AB3C-CE4571362E0C@kitt.nl>,
> > Peter van der Vos <peterthuis@kitt.nl> wrote:
> > [Snippy]
> >> I would recommend to download a small HD4 and put the rest on a HostFS
> >> disc. This way communication with other machines is a lot simpler.
> >
> >> Peter
> >
> > Since when is networking with RPCEmu simple anything?
> > D.
> >

Unfortunately here it is not simple, sure setting it up is quite straight
forward, but the method used (bridging) means the appearance of my network
card is changed and so other things tied to that will not work.

If I temporarily un-bridge the Emu connection so other things can network,
when re-bridged, Emu networking fails, and even a re-boot won't fix it.
It'll stay broken until I re-do the install process again. again, again...

Really can't be bothered to do that over and over.

Dave

What would work, I guess, if there was some way of forcing the Emu bridge
to have the required MAC address. (Same as network card).

On Win 7 BTW.

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Toolbar Customisation

I am trying to use Netsurf on a Raspberry Pi and I am having trouble understanding parts of the Netsurf User Guide. There, Under Toolbar Customisation, is this passage:
     'To move the icons around , enable toolbar edit mode by clicking menu over the toolbar and choosing "Edit toolbar".       This will open the toolbar editing panel.'
 
I don't understand what is meant by 'clicking menu over the toolbar'. All I can see above the toolbar is the usual menu list of File Edit View Navigate and Help. I have tried a right click on the toolbar, but nothing happens.
 
The other point I am having trouble with is when discussing Toolbar Icons the guide refers to 'Adjust Click' and 'Select Click'. I have not met these terms.
 
Ken Ellis

Re: [Rpcemu] Arculator

FYI,

I'd suggest the best public forum for Arculator queries would be here:

http://stardot.org.uk/forums/viewforum.php?f=30

Tom, the author, hangs out there too.

Peter.

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Re: Clipboard not working #824

On Mon, 2013-01-21 at 09:35 +0000, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:
> There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824.
> Within a NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything
> put on the clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted
> into writable icons using ctrl-v.

Yes; the way the clipboard is handled internally has changed, and it's
waiting for the RISC OS frontend to be updated to cope.


J.

Clipboard not working #824

There appears to be a problem with the clipboard in 3.0 #824.
Within a NetSurf window ctrl-c and ctrl-v work as normal but anything
put on the clipboard from outside the NS window does not get inserted
into writable icons using ctrl-v.

The Clipboard works properly in 2.9

john

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Re: avaaz.org problem

> > > > > > When sending a petition to avaaz.org
> > > > > >
http://www.avaaz.org/en/stop_frankenfish_r/?blOZUcb&v=21102
> > > > > >
> > > > > > NetSurf goes into a loop. alt-break froze the machine necessitating <snip>
> > > I just tried signing another at...

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Investigate_landgrabbers_in_Cambodia_and_remove_their_trade_privileges/?blWdqbb&v=20972"

> > > re cambodian farmers & just got an endless revolving circle & gave up
> > > after a while.

> > > So my previous success was premature, it seems.

> > > Oh chagrine....

> > Well, something odd seems to be happening. I tried that URL which went
> > into a loop for a while and came out at,

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Investigate_landgrabbers_in_Cambodia_and_remove_their_trade_privileges/

> Same here. Perhaps it's something at hteir end, not a Netsurf problem.

Thanks.

Probably. As I recall, it didn't work that way previously.

Re: NetSurf and Flash

> > What, please, is the current status of Flash working with NetSurf?

> The current state is that it will not work (we long ago disabled plugin
> support), and that we're never likely to have it. This isn't so much of
> a problem because Flash is slowly dying off anyway (much like Java).

I see. Perhaps I have misunderstood how animation rendering is performed.

I thought Flash was used on the dark side for animation rendering, eg

http://www.jacquielawson.com/

various examples.

Are you saying that just ain't possible on the RISC OS platform, please?
> B.

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Sunday, 20 January 2013

Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

Op 21 jan. 2013, om 00:24 heeft george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> In message <AFF35C77-DBA3-4C49-AB3C-CE4571362E0C@kitt.nl>
> Peter van der Vos <peterthuis@kitt.nl> wrote:
>
>>
>> Op 20 jan. 2013, om 11:35 heeft george greenfield
>> <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>>> In message <5310ebf1d4bob@mightyoak.org.uk>
>>> Bob Latham <bob@mightyoak.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <20130118200238.4D7BE20353@orac.inputplus.co.uk>,
>>>> Ralph Corderoy <ralph@inputplus.co.uk> wrote:
>>> [snip]
>>>>
>>>> The hard disc image (long file names) was downloaded from
>>>> http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/ unpacked, and placed at
>>>> Program files\RPCEmu.
>>>>
>>>> Using *status, I can see that idediscs is set to 1.
>>>>
>>>> I have not tried to format the disc.
>>>>
>>>> The disc from above says it is 262,080K bytes. The disc I used a couple of
>>>> years back is 262,081KB. I've tied both and neither work.
>>>
>>> You could try downloading the 1GB disk image. Based on over a year's
>>> experience with RPCEmu on a W7/64 PC, I'd question the usefulness of
>>> an HD4 limited to 256MB; my current !Boot is 447Mb on its own,
>>> including ScrapDirs and MPro spools….
>>
>> I would recommend to download a small HD4 and put the rest on a HostFS
>> disc. This way communication with other machines is a lot simpler.
>>
> I do put as much as possible in HostFS, but my point was (and is), if
> you use an email client such as Messenger, and do a lot of graphics
> (as I do), it is very easy to exceed 256MB after a short while, simply
> due to the enlargement of directories in !Boot.Resources.

With older versions of the RPCEmu I had a lot of trouble with corrupt HD images. When I got it all working I made a backup of HD4 so I wanted to keep the size as small as possible. My !Boot is only 5 MB so for my 256 MB is big enough. But YMMV.


Peter
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Re: [Rpcemu] Disc not understood

Networking is easy because you can use the network of the host machine. The RPCEmulator writes/reads from HostFS, my remote RiscPC uses FTP to access the HostFS part of the disc.
This way I can use it almost like connecting two RiscPC's together.

Op 20 jan. 2013, om 21:56 heeft Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:

> In article <AFF35C77-DBA3-4C49-AB3C-CE4571362E0C@kitt.nl>,
> Peter van der Vos <peterthuis@kitt.nl> wrote:
> [Snippy]
>> I would recommend to download a small HD4 and put the rest on a HostFS
>> disc. This way communication with other machines is a lot simpler.
>
>> Peter
>
> Since when is networking with RPCEmu simple anything?
> D.
>
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