[netsurf-users] NetSurf Dynamic Area cleanup/scavenging

I have noticed for sometime now that NetSurf is not very good at clearing
up it's Dynamic Memory area. For example if I view a few web sites, I
find I have multiple Dynamic Areas for NetSurf, some quite large, but only
every disappear when I quite NetSurf.

I'm guessing this a general feature of NetSurf ;)

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Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

[netsurf-users] Re: RISC OS web search configuration

In message <ba3c12015c.admin@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:

> From a user interface point of view it would be preferable to have an
> indication on said Welcome page of which search engine will actually be
> used, and a way to switch, say, temporarily to Ebay without
> reconfiguring via Choices - but I can see that it is complicated by the
> fact that this is a web page and not a normal RISC OS window with
> drop-down menus etc....

For those of use that do not use the Welcome page, I would say better to
have indication in the URL bar. Perhaps a logo or text to appear on the
right handside? Then perhaps if you menu click over the logo/text it will
pop-up with list of available choices to temporarily choose from.

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Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

[netsurf-users] Re: RISC OS web search configuration

In message <0abb1966-9d44-401b-8f51-057185fae7fc@kyllikki.org>
vincent sanders <vince@kyllikki.org> wrote:

> Back in February I updated the integrated web search functionality.

> At the time I mentioned I would attempt to allow the configuration of
> the active web search on RISC OS through the GUI instead of having to
> edit the Choices file manually.

> This has been committed and available in CI build #6804

> I would be grateful if interested users could try the new configuration
> and mention any issues.

Thanks for this. Found the list in NetSurf Configuration GUI.


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Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42

[netsurf-users] Re: What?

In article <5c012366a1dave@triffid.co.uk>,
Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <3FA46049-8D61-4BA8-9973-D4D81B998B5C@ypical.co.uk>,
> Frederick Bambrough <mlist@ypical.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 3 March 2025 07:45:40 UTC, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > >Grump, grump! For a while now, NetSurf, #6786 and at present #6790
> > >will not connect with anything online, not even my own website. (And
> > >others).
> > >
> > >Reporting: "An error occurred when connecting to
> > >http://www.triffid.co.uk Could not resolve hostname."
> > >
> > >So what's going on?
> > >
> > >If I engage Uniserver, the URL is successfully thrown Windows side
> > >okay.
> > >
> > >If I go back a few versions to say, #6764 NS works okay.
> > >
> > >Thanks Dave
> > >

> > I've been getting something similar for a while except only with the
> > ROOL website. It works for a short while then gives the error you're
> > seeing. Even after the error it will access other sites though.

> Just read Vincent's posting about NetSurf #6804 and thought, in relation
> to my problem I'd give that a try.

> Naaa! As noted previously, NOT ONE of the recent versions of NetSurf,
> thought they will load to the icon bar and run okay, will connect with
> ANY address I try.

> I'm now back to #6764 and NS connects okay.

> What is causing this problem?

> VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

> Dave

I've now tried the recent NetSurf versions on a Number of different RISC
OS version installs, and they just will not do the business.

Revert to an older NS and it works okay.

I have absolutely no idea what's causing this?

Dave

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Dave Triffid

[netsurf-users] Re: NetSurf no html filetype icon

In message <b6c839015c.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:


>> Since updating #6799 I notice that my html files are showing in the filer
>> window with the unknown filetype icon ie a question mark. The files have a
>> file type of xFAF and launch NetSurf when double-clicked.
>>
>> Anyone else seen this?
>>
> !NetSurf.!Boot should contain the line
> Set File$Type_FAF HTML
> (although I would expect this to get set elsewhere in a modern Boot
> sequence), so if your files of type &FAF are not showing in the Filer as
> having type "HTML" that would suggest that this line has not been
> executed.

Filetype is being set
*show file$type_faf
File$Type_FAF : HTML
but the icon is not being picked up by HTML files


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John Rickman

[netsurf-users] Re: NetSurf no html filetype icon

On 21 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
John Rickman wrote:

> Since updating #6799 I notice that my html files are showing in the filer
> window with the unknown filetype icon ie a question mark. The files have a
> file type of xFAF and launch NetSurf when double-clicked.
>
> Anyone else seen this?
>
!NetSurf.!Boot should contain the line
Set File$Type_FAF HTML
(although I would expect this to get set elsewhere in a modern Boot
sequence), so if your files of type &FAF are not showing in the Filer as
having type "HTML" that would suggest that this line has not been
executed.

I note that the ASprites/ASprites11 files don't seem to contain anything
other than the basic NetSurf icon sprite, whereas the 5Sprites file also
has various filetype icons - but not a file_faf icon, so I can't see how
that would be significant....

--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==

It is far better to be deceived than to be undeceived by those we love.

[netsurf-users] NetSurf no html filetype icon

Since updating #6799 I notice that my html files are showing in the filer
window with the unknown filetype icon ie a question mark. The files have a
file type of xFAF and launch NetSurf when double-clicked.

Anyone else seen this?

John

--
John Rickman

[netsurf-users] Re: What?

In article <3FA46049-8D61-4BA8-9973-D4D81B998B5C@ypical.co.uk>,
Frederick Bambrough <mlist@ypical.co.uk> wrote:
> On 3 March 2025 07:45:40 UTC, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> >Grump, grump! For a while now, NetSurf, #6786 and at present #6790 will
> >not connect with anything online, not even my own website. (And others).
> >
> >Reporting: "An error occurred when connecting to
> >http://www.triffid.co.uk Could not resolve hostname."
> >
> >So what's going on?
> >
> >If I engage Uniserver, the URL is successfully thrown Windows side okay.
> >
> >If I go back a few versions to say, #6764 NS works okay.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Dave
> >

> I've been getting something similar for a while except only with the
> ROOL website. It works for a short while then gives the error you're
> seeing. Even after the error it will access other sites though.

Just read Vincent's posting about NetSurf #6804 and thought, in relation
to my problem I'd give that a try.

Naaa!
As noted previously, NOT ONE of the recent versions of NetSurf, thought
they will load to the icon bar and run okay, will connect with ANY address
I try.

I'm now back to #6764 and NS connects okay.

What is causing this problem?

VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

[netsurf-users] Re: RISC OS web search configuration

On 20 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
vincent sanders wrote:

> Back in February I updated the integrated web search functionality.
>
> At the time I mentioned I would attempt to allow the configuration of
> the active web search on RISC OS through the GUI instead of having to
> edit the Choices file manually.
>
> This has been committed and available in CI build #6804
>
> I would be grateful if interested users could try the new configuration
> and mention any issues.
>
I tried deleting my manually-configured home page value of google.co.uk,
and Netsurf duly started up by showing its Welcome page with "Web
Search" pointing to DuckDuckGo.

Tried switching 'Search' from the Choices window to 'IMDB',
experimentally, and nothing happened when I pressed Return in the
Welcome page search icon. Or, for that matter, when I clicked on the
Search button.

Tried 'Bing' and that worked. Tried 'Ebay' and that worked [edit:
although it defaults to ebay.com rather than ebay.co.uk - not sure how
many American users we have, but this means that all the prices are
displayed in dollars and most of the items advertised pay international
postage!]

I haven't tested any others.

From a user interface point of view it would be preferable to have an
indication on said Welcome page of which search engine will actually be
used, and a way to switch, say, temporarily to Ebay without
reconfiguring via Choices - but I can see that it is complicated by the
fact that this is a web page and not a normal RISC OS window with
drop-down menus etc....


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Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==

We have met the enemy, and he is us.

[netsurf-users] RISC OS web search configuration

Back in February I updated the integrated web search functionality.

At the time I mentioned I would attempt to allow the configuration of
the active web search on RISC OS through the GUI instead of having to
edit the Choices file manually.

This has been committed and available in CI build #6804

I would be grateful if interested users could try the new configuration
and mention any issues.

[netsurf-users] Re: Missing links

On 4 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Steve Fryatt wrote:

[snip]


> The site simply uses conditional CSS to adjust the layout of the page as the
> width gets smaller, which is what the media queries are for. For example my
> own sites push sidebars to the bottom of the page, remove white space,
> re-jig the navigation menus, and so on. NetSurf's windows are small enough
> by default that a "mobile" page layout will often result as standard when
> pages open, but that's things working as intended.
>
> What doesn't work as expected is that the page would reflow as the size
> changes on many other browsers, whereas NetSurf doesn't do that.
>
Well, it does reflow the text to fit the width of the window (where
sites allow it); it just doesn't re-load all the CSS styles in case
resizing the window might have altered a style definition....
The latter probably not even being an assumption worth wasting
processing power on when Netsurf was being designed, but now apparently
a frequently-deployed possibility!

--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==

You cannot propel yourself forward by patting yourself on the back.

[netsurf-users] Re: Missing links

On 2 Mar, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
<09b184f75b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

> (I wonder how many more of the 'non-accessible' pages on the Web have been
> designed on the assumption that you will only ever be loading the page
> into a maximised browser window that occupies the entire screen?)

That's not really what is happening, though... There's certainly no
assumption going on.

The site simply uses conditional CSS to adjust the layout of the page as the
width gets smaller, which is what the media queries are for. For example my
own sites push sidebars to the bottom of the page, remove white space,
re-jig the navigation menus, and so on. NetSurf's windows are small enough
by default that a "mobile" page layout will often result as standard when
pages open, but that's things working as intended.

What doesn't work as expected is that the page would reflow as the size
changes on many other browsers, whereas NetSurf doesn't do that.

And many sites rely on Javascript to open and close the mobile navigation
menu, so as to save on space. To be honest, I have no problem with that.

--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

[netsurf-users] Re: What?

In article <3FA46049-8D61-4BA8-9973-D4D81B998B5C@ypical.co.uk>,
Frederick Bambrough <mlist@ypical.co.uk> wrote:
> On 3 March 2025 07:45:40 UTC, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> >Grump, grump! For a while now, NetSurf, #6786 and at present #6790 will
> >not connect with anything online, not even my own website. (And others).
> >
> >Reporting:
> >"An error occurred when connecting to http://www.triffid.co.uk
> >Could not resolve hostname."
> >
> >So what's going on?
> >
> >If I engage Uniserver, the URL is successfully thrown Windows side okay.
> >
> >If I go back a few versions to say, #6764 NS works okay.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Dave
> >

> I've been getting something similar for a while except only with the
> ROOL website. It works for a short while then gives the error you're
> seeing. Even after the error it will access other sites though.

Interesting...
I've tried many, many URLs, and here NS very recent versions will not
connect with anything, and I do mean anything.

As I noted going back a few versions (6764) and it works okay with every
URL that won't work on the later versions.

Even Google search.

Dave


VRPC-DL RISC OS 6.20

--

Dave Triffid

[netsurf-users] Re: What?

On 3 March 2025 07:45:40 UTC, Dave <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>Grump, grump!
>For a while now, NetSurf, #6786 and at present #6790 will not connect with
>anything online, not even my own website. (And others).
>
>Reporting:
>"An error occurred when connecting to http://www.triffid.co.uk
>Could not resolve hostname."
>
>So what's going on?
>
>If I engage Uniserver, the URL is successfully thrown Windows side okay.
>
>If I go back a few versions to say, #6764 NS works okay.
>
>Thanks
>Dave
>

I've been getting something similar for a while except only with the ROOL website. It works for a short while then gives the error you're seeing. Even after the error it will access other sites though.

--
Frederick

[netsurf-users] What?

Grump, grump!
For a while now, NetSurf, #6786 and at present #6790 will not connect with
anything online, not even my own website. (And others).

Reporting:
"An error occurred when connecting to http://www.triffid.co.uk
Could not resolve hostname."

So what's going on?

If I engage Uniserver, the URL is successfully thrown Windows side okay.

If I go back a few versions to say, #6764 NS works okay.

Thanks
Dave

--

Dave Triffid

[netsurf-users] Re: Missing links

On 2 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Steve Fryatt wrote:

> On 25 Feb, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
> <402a71f45b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:
>
> > None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless you
> > disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
> > https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
> >
> > I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of 'mobile
> > device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the browser
> > doesn't support?
>
> Partly. It's identifying that the screen area is too small for the menu bar,
> and so falling back to the reduced-space option. I'd guess that uses
> Javascript, but haven't looked.
>
> Make the NetSurf window bigger and then refresh the page. NetSurf doesn't
> recalculate CSS media queries on the fly, but if the window is big enough
> when the page is reloaded you'll get the menu bar appear.
>

A-ha! That works....

(I wonder how many more of the 'non-accessible' pages on the Web have
been designed on the assumption that you will only ever be loading the
page into a maximised browser window that occupies the entire screen?)


--
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The only rose without thorns is friendship.

[netsurf-users] Re: broken fonts in Netsurf on Atari Falcon in FreeMint

Hi Ole,

thanks a lot. So I tried the „internal" font renderer. It kind of makes the font somewhat readable in Netsurf 3.11 (build 6790), but does a lot of other strange stuff and errors in window rendering. And in Netsurf 2.9, the „internal" font renderer crashes it right away (memory corruption).

I took the Choices file that I created in Netsurf 2.9 - it works fine with it, including fonts etc. The palette issue is slightly annoying in 2.9, but I could perfectly live with it. It just changes the color of XaAES background when Netsurf gets focus (from white to red), but the fonts and images are rendered OK in 2.9.

This is how the Choices file looks like: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lyu318dgt5bzhjupe183v/CHOICES.txt?rlkey=21nopn9jzbp5thr9i0iiyw0op&dl=0 

So when I take this Choices file (that works with 2.9), it does not work with Netsurf 3.11 - causing the font issue, and even images are not rendered ok in 3.11 (even though they look fine in 2.9).

Is it possible that there is some big difference between 2.9 and 3.11 maybe in the renderer that breaks it in 3.11 on systems that are not true color? (like legacy Falcon 030)

That would probably mean that Netsurf is not usable in my case unless I somehow upgrade video HW in my Falcon.

But still it's pity because Netsurf 2.9 looks pretty cool, and the only issue there is too old and deprecated TLS (refused on all https webs).

So I'm wondering if there is anybody in this forum who succeeded in running Netsurf 3.11 on the Falcon HW.

Thanks and all the best

Jan

2. 3. 2025 v 0:33, Ole Loots <ole@monochrom.net>:

Hello Jan,

please lookup the atari related options in the Choices file/dialog. That bug is bit depth related. There are 2 font renderers. Both handle palette based modes? Freetype in monochrom *rendering* mode requires special handling - not implemented. Defaults to grayscale.

Use true color hardware, when available.

Internal renderer is buggy, does it provoke memory corruption? I think so.

Not sure about images - i think you have to completly disable image rendering when running under palette based modes.


Greets,
Ole

Am 1. März 2025 20:59:48 MEZ schrieb "jan.romportl@pm.me" <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org>:

Hi, I'd like to ask for some tips/troubleshooting on running Netsurf on Atari Falcon with FreeMint.

When I run the (almost) latest build NetSurf-m68k-atari-mint-gcc-6790 (or actually any randomly selected build between 4757-6790, as found here https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/), I get a totally broken unreadable font, and maybe some issues with how the window is rendered.

Best visible on the screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1ffqe7jh5m0qaf36kej29/netsurf_screenshot_atari_falcon.png?rlkey=t3y5ujodidyuhw7czzihdvh6j&dl=0 

(I'm not sure if I can attach images on this forum so I rather put it as a shared link on my dropbox)

When I run it from bash in verbose mode with -v, I don't see any apparent problems in the log - it's mostly INFO.

The log is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lot9ibi362tulvhftcwq0/LOG.TXT?rlkey=81p419t621182sen7mbuhvfd5&dl=0 

I run it on Atari Falcon 030 with DFB1X accelerator by Exxos (50 MHz, 128MB alt-RAM). FreeMint build 1-19-731, XaAES 1.6.4 Beta (Jun 2024), and typical EasyMint packages.

If I try to run older Netsurf 2.9 downloaded here https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/, this one works fine, but apparently has only the old deprecated TLS (that's why I want to run a newer build).

I'll be happy for any tips here.

Thanks a lot

Jan

--

Jan Romportl

https://www.romportl.com/

[netsurf-users] Re: Missing links

On 25 Feb, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
<402a71f45b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:

> None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless you
> disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
> https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
>
> I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of 'mobile
> device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the browser
> doesn't support?

Partly. It's identifying that the screen area is too small for the menu bar,
and so falling back to the reduced-space option. I'd guess that uses
Javascript, but haven't looked.

Make the NetSurf window bigger and then refresh the page. NetSurf doesn't
recalculate CSS media queries on the fly, but if the window is big enough
when the page is reloaded you'll get the menu bar appear.

--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England

http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/

[netsurf-users] Re: [netsurf-users] broken fonts in Netsurf on Atari Falcon in FreeMint

Hello Jan,

please lookup the atari related options in the Choices file/dialog. That bug is bit depth related. There are 2 font renderers. Both handle palette based modes? Freetype in monochrom *rendering* mode requires special handling - not implemented. Defaults to grayscale.

Use true color hardware, when available.

Internal renderer is buggy, does it provoke memory corruption? I think so.

Not sure about images - i think you have to completly disable image rendering when running under palette based modes.


Greets,
Ole

Am 1. März 2025 20:59:48 MEZ schrieb "jan.romportl@pm.me" <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org>:

Hi, I'd like to ask for some tips/troubleshooting on running Netsurf on Atari Falcon with FreeMint.

When I run the (almost) latest build NetSurf-m68k-atari-mint-gcc-6790 (or actually any randomly selected build between 4757-6790, as found here https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/), I get a totally broken unreadable font, and maybe some issues with how the window is rendered.

Best visible on the screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1ffqe7jh5m0qaf36kej29/netsurf_screenshot_atari_falcon.png?rlkey=t3y5ujodidyuhw7czzihdvh6j&dl=0 

(I'm not sure if I can attach images on this forum so I rather put it as a shared link on my dropbox)

When I run it from bash in verbose mode with -v, I don't see any apparent problems in the log - it's mostly INFO.

The log is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lot9ibi362tulvhftcwq0/LOG.TXT?rlkey=81p419t621182sen7mbuhvfd5&dl=0 

I run it on Atari Falcon 030 with DFB1X accelerator by Exxos (50 MHz, 128MB alt-RAM). FreeMint build 1-19-731, XaAES 1.6.4 Beta (Jun 2024), and typical EasyMint packages.

If I try to run older Netsurf 2.9 downloaded here https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/, this one works fine, but apparently has only the old deprecated TLS (that's why I want to run a newer build).

I'll be happy for any tips here.

Thanks a lot

Jan

--

Jan Romportl

https://www.romportl.com/

[netsurf-users] broken fonts in Netsurf on Atari Falcon in FreeMint

Hi, I'd like to ask for some tips/troubleshooting on running Netsurf on Atari Falcon with FreeMint.

When I run the (almost) latest build NetSurf-m68k-atari-mint-gcc-6790 (or actually any randomly selected build between 4757-6790, as found here https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/), I get a totally broken unreadable font, and maybe some issues with how the window is rendered.

Best visible on the screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1ffqe7jh5m0qaf36kej29/netsurf_screenshot_atari_falcon.png?rlkey=t3y5ujodidyuhw7czzihdvh6j&dl=0 

(I'm not sure if I can attach images on this forum so I rather put it as a shared link on my dropbox)

When I run it from bash in verbose mode with -v, I don't see any apparent problems in the log - it's mostly INFO.

The log is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lot9ibi362tulvhftcwq0/LOG.TXT?rlkey=81p419t621182sen7mbuhvfd5&dl=0 

I run it on Atari Falcon 030 with DFB1X accelerator by Exxos (50 MHz, 128MB alt-RAM). FreeMint build 1-19-731, XaAES 1.6.4 Beta (Jun 2024), and typical EasyMint packages.

If I try to run older Netsurf 2.9 downloaded here https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/, this one works fine, but apparently has only the old deprecated TLS (that's why I want to run a newer build).

I'll be happy for any tips here.

Thanks a lot

Jan

--

Jan Romportl

https://www.romportl.com/