Grump, grump!
For a while now, NetSurf, #6786 and at present #6790 will not connect with
anything online, not even my own website. (And others).
Reporting:
"An error occurred when connecting to http://www.triffid.co.uk
Could not resolve hostname."
So what's going on?
If I engage Uniserver, the URL is successfully thrown Windows side okay.
If I go back a few versions to say, #6764 NS works okay.
Thanks
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Sunday, 2 March 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Missing links
On 2 Mar 2025 as I do recall,
Steve Fryatt wrote:
> On 25 Feb, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
> <402a71f45b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:
>
> > None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless you
> > disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
> > https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
> >
> > I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of 'mobile
> > device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the browser
> > doesn't support?
>
> Partly. It's identifying that the screen area is too small for the menu bar,
> and so falling back to the reduced-space option. I'd guess that uses
> Javascript, but haven't looked.
>
> Make the NetSurf window bigger and then refresh the page. NetSurf doesn't
> recalculate CSS media queries on the fly, but if the window is big enough
> when the page is reloaded you'll get the menu bar appear.
>
A-ha! That works....
(I wonder how many more of the 'non-accessible' pages on the Web have
been designed on the assumption that you will only ever be loading the
page into a maximised browser window that occupies the entire screen?)
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
The only rose without thorns is friendship.
Steve Fryatt wrote:
> On 25 Feb, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
> <402a71f45b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:
>
> > None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless you
> > disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
> > https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
> >
> > I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of 'mobile
> > device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the browser
> > doesn't support?
>
> Partly. It's identifying that the screen area is too small for the menu bar,
> and so falling back to the reduced-space option. I'd guess that uses
> Javascript, but haven't looked.
>
> Make the NetSurf window bigger and then refresh the page. NetSurf doesn't
> recalculate CSS media queries on the fly, but if the window is big enough
> when the page is reloaded you'll get the menu bar appear.
>
A-ha! That works....
(I wonder how many more of the 'non-accessible' pages on the Web have
been designed on the assumption that you will only ever be loading the
page into a maximised browser window that occupies the entire screen?)
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
The only rose without thorns is friendship.
[netsurf-users] Re: broken fonts in Netsurf on Atari Falcon in FreeMint
Hi Ole,
thanks a lot. So I tried the „internal" font renderer. It kind of makes the font somewhat readable in Netsurf 3.11 (build 6790), but does a lot of other strange stuff and errors in window rendering. And in Netsurf 2.9, the „internal" font renderer crashes it right away (memory corruption).
I took the Choices file that I created in Netsurf 2.9 - it works fine with it, including fonts etc. The palette issue is slightly annoying in 2.9, but I could perfectly live with it. It just changes the color of XaAES background when Netsurf gets focus (from white to red), but the fonts and images are rendered OK in 2.9.
This is how the Choices file looks like: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lyu318dgt5bzhjupe183v/CHOICES.txt?rlkey=21nopn9jzbp5thr9i0iiyw0op&dl=0
So when I take this Choices file (that works with 2.9), it does not work with Netsurf 3.11 - causing the font issue, and even images are not rendered ok in 3.11 (even though they look fine in 2.9).
Is it possible that there is some big difference between 2.9 and 3.11 maybe in the renderer that breaks it in 3.11 on systems that are not true color? (like legacy Falcon 030)
That would probably mean that Netsurf is not usable in my case unless I somehow upgrade video HW in my Falcon.
But still it's pity because Netsurf 2.9 looks pretty cool, and the only issue there is too old and deprecated TLS (refused on all https webs).
So I'm wondering if there is anybody in this forum who succeeded in running Netsurf 3.11 on the Falcon HW.
Thanks and all the best
Jan
2. 3. 2025 v 0:33, Ole Loots <ole@monochrom.net>:Hello Jan,
please lookup the atari related options in the Choices file/dialog. That bug is bit depth related. There are 2 font renderers. Both handle palette based modes? Freetype in monochrom *rendering* mode requires special handling - not implemented. Defaults to grayscale.
Use true color hardware, when available.
Internal renderer is buggy, does it provoke memory corruption? I think so.
Not sure about images - i think you have to completly disable image rendering when running under palette based modes.
Greets,
OleAm 1. März 2025 20:59:48 MEZ schrieb "jan.romportl@pm.me" <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org>:Hi, I'd like to ask for some tips/troubleshooting on running Netsurf on Atari Falcon with FreeMint.When I run the (almost) latest build NetSurf-m68k-atari-mint-gcc-6790 (or actually any randomly selected build between 4757-6790, as found here https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/), I get a totally broken unreadable font, and maybe some issues with how the window is rendered.Best visible on the screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1ffqe7jh5m0qaf36kej29/netsurf_screenshot_atari_falcon.png?rlkey=t3y5ujodidyuhw7czzihdvh6j&dl=0(I'm not sure if I can attach images on this forum so I rather put it as a shared link on my dropbox)When I run it from bash in verbose mode with -v, I don't see any apparent problems in the log - it's mostly INFO.The log is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lot9ibi362tulvhftcwq0/LOG.TXT?rlkey=81p419t621182sen7mbuhvfd5&dl=0I run it on Atari Falcon 030 with DFB1X accelerator by Exxos (50 MHz, 128MB alt-RAM). FreeMint build 1-19-731, XaAES 1.6.4 Beta (Jun 2024), and typical EasyMint packages.If I try to run older Netsurf 2.9 downloaded here https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/, this one works fine, but apparently has only the old deprecated TLS (that's why I want to run a newer build).I'll be happy for any tips here.Thanks a lotJan--Jan Romportl
[netsurf-users] Re: Missing links
On 25 Feb, Harriet Bazley wrote in message
<402a71f45b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:
> None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless you
> disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
> https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
>
> I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of 'mobile
> device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the browser
> doesn't support?
Partly. It's identifying that the screen area is too small for the menu bar,
and so falling back to the reduced-space option. I'd guess that uses
Javascript, but haven't looked.
Make the NetSurf window bigger and then refresh the page. NetSurf doesn't
recalculate CSS media queries on the fly, but if the window is big enough
when the page is reloaded you'll get the menu bar appear.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
<402a71f45b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>:
> None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless you
> disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
> https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
>
> I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of 'mobile
> device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the browser
> doesn't support?
Partly. It's identifying that the screen area is too small for the menu bar,
and so falling back to the reduced-space option. I'd guess that uses
Javascript, but haven't looked.
Make the NetSurf window bigger and then refresh the page. NetSurf doesn't
recalculate CSS media queries on the fly, but if the window is big enough
when the page is reloaded you'll get the menu bar appear.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Saturday, 1 March 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: [netsurf-users] broken fonts in Netsurf on Atari Falcon in FreeMint
Hello Jan,
please lookup the atari related options in the Choices file/dialog. That bug is bit depth related. There are 2 font renderers. Both handle palette based modes? Freetype in monochrom *rendering* mode requires special handling - not implemented. Defaults to grayscale.
Use true color hardware, when available.
Internal renderer is buggy, does it provoke memory corruption? I think so.
Not sure about images - i think you have to completly disable image rendering when running under palette based modes.
Greets,
Ole
please lookup the atari related options in the Choices file/dialog. That bug is bit depth related. There are 2 font renderers. Both handle palette based modes? Freetype in monochrom *rendering* mode requires special handling - not implemented. Defaults to grayscale.
Use true color hardware, when available.
Internal renderer is buggy, does it provoke memory corruption? I think so.
Not sure about images - i think you have to completly disable image rendering when running under palette based modes.
Greets,
Ole
Am 1. März 2025 20:59:48 MEZ schrieb "jan.romportl@pm.me" <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org>:
Hi, I'd like to ask for some tips/troubleshooting on running Netsurf on Atari Falcon with FreeMint.When I run the (almost) latest build NetSurf-m68k-atari-mint-gcc-6790 (or actually any randomly selected build between 4757-6790, as found here https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/), I get a totally broken unreadable font, and maybe some issues with how the window is rendered.Best visible on the screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1ffqe7jh5m0qaf36kej29/netsurf_screenshot_atari_falcon.png?rlkey=t3y5ujodidyuhw7czzihdvh6j&dl=0(I'm not sure if I can attach images on this forum so I rather put it as a shared link on my dropbox)When I run it from bash in verbose mode with -v, I don't see any apparent problems in the log - it's mostly INFO.The log is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lot9ibi362tulvhftcwq0/LOG.TXT?rlkey=81p419t621182sen7mbuhvfd5&dl=0I run it on Atari Falcon 030 with DFB1X accelerator by Exxos (50 MHz, 128MB alt-RAM). FreeMint build 1-19-731, XaAES 1.6.4 Beta (Jun 2024), and typical EasyMint packages.If I try to run older Netsurf 2.9 downloaded here https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/, this one works fine, but apparently has only the old deprecated TLS (that's why I want to run a newer build).I'll be happy for any tips here.Thanks a lotJan--Jan Romportl
[netsurf-users] broken fonts in Netsurf on Atari Falcon in FreeMint
Hi, I'd like to ask for some tips/troubleshooting on running Netsurf on Atari Falcon with FreeMint.
When I run the (almost) latest build NetSurf-m68k-atari-mint-gcc-6790 (or actually any randomly selected build between 4757-6790, as found here https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/), I get a totally broken unreadable font, and maybe some issues with how the window is rendered.
Best visible on the screenshot here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/1ffqe7jh5m0qaf36kej29/netsurf_screenshot_atari_falcon.png?rlkey=t3y5ujodidyuhw7czzihdvh6j&dl=0
(I'm not sure if I can attach images on this forum so I rather put it as a shared link on my dropbox)
When I run it from bash in verbose mode with -v, I don't see any apparent problems in the log - it's mostly INFO.
The log is here: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/lot9ibi362tulvhftcwq0/LOG.TXT?rlkey=81p419t621182sen7mbuhvfd5&dl=0
I run it on Atari Falcon 030 with DFB1X accelerator by Exxos (50 MHz, 128MB alt-RAM). FreeMint build 1-19-731, XaAES 1.6.4 Beta (Jun 2024), and typical EasyMint packages.
If I try to run older Netsurf 2.9 downloaded here https://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/, this one works fine, but apparently has only the old deprecated TLS (that's why I want to run a newer build).
I'll be happy for any tips here.
Thanks a lot
Jan
--
Jan Romportl
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