Now that "google no longer operates at all without extensive
javascript support" Netsurf 6789 attempts to change the default search
engine to DuckDuckGo, as embedded in the welcome page.
https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/6789/changes
It doesn't quite work here. A search errors with, "Error occurred
fetching page", and this in the URL bar :-
about:websearch?q=elephant
Specifying https://html.duckduckgo.com/html explicitly in
welcome.html, rather than about:websearch does allow the search to
work.
--
David Pitt
Saturday, 22 February 2025
Thursday, 20 February 2025
[netsurf-dev] import node and owner
Hello,
I'm trying to implement replaceWith.
Code like this:
dom_node *el; // current node to be replaced
dom_node *new_child; // from other document
dom_node *imported_node;
dom_document *doc;
exc = dom_node_get_owner_document(el, &doc);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!doc\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
exc = dom_node_import_node(doc, new_child, true, &imported_node);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!imported\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *parent = NULL;
exc = dom_node_get_parent_node(el, &parent);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!parent\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *res = NULL;
exc = dom_node_replace_child(parent, imported_node, el, &res);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!replace\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
I tried various combinations, but the last exc is 4.
In code of libdom there is the dom_node_set_owner macro, but it is never called.
Is there a trick to make it work?
Or could you confirm that, there is a bug in the libdom library?
How to fix it?
Regards,
Witold Filipczyk
I'm trying to implement replaceWith.
Code like this:
dom_node *el; // current node to be replaced
dom_node *new_child; // from other document
dom_node *imported_node;
dom_document *doc;
exc = dom_node_get_owner_document(el, &doc);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!doc\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
exc = dom_node_import_node(doc, new_child, true, &imported_node);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!imported\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *parent = NULL;
exc = dom_node_get_parent_node(el, &parent);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!parent\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *res = NULL;
exc = dom_node_replace_child(parent, imported_node, el, &res);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!replace\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
I tried various combinations, but the last exc is 4.
In code of libdom there is the dom_node_set_owner macro, but it is never called.
Is there a trick to make it work?
Or could you confirm that, there is a bug in the libdom library?
How to fix it?
Regards,
Witold Filipczyk
Sunday, 9 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 9 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:
> Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
> the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
> hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
> would be none the wiser.
>
It's CSS-related (or at least it becomes visible when CSS is disabled).
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Those who neglect the past do not deserve the future.
Paul Stewart wrote:
> Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
> the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
> hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
> would be none the wiser.
>
It's CSS-related (or at least it becomes visible when CSS is disabled).
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Those who neglect the past do not deserve the future.
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <df0c89ec5b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
> run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
> browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
> paranoid. :-(
> Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
> up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
> abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
> page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
> some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
It will be good when NetSurf gets a more functional version of Javascript.
Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
would be none the wiser.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
> run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
> browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
> paranoid. :-(
> Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
> up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
> abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
> page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
> some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
It will be good when NetSurf gets a more functional version of Javascript.
Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
would be none the wiser.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 9 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:
> In message <5bec81139cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>
> John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> > Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> >>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> >>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> >>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> >> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> >> from Google.
>
> > What happens if you enable JS?
>
> It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
> generates a blank page.
Yes, that's what I'm getting at the moment.
>
> However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
> enabled.
>
I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
paranoid. :-(
Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
St George for England - St Pancras for Scotland
Paul Stewart wrote:
> In message <5bec81139cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>
> John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> > Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> >>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> >>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> >>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> >> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> >> from Google.
>
> > What happens if you enable JS?
>
> It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
> generates a blank page.
Yes, that's what I'm getting at the moment.
>
> However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
> enabled.
>
I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
paranoid. :-(
Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
St George for England - St Pancras for Scotland
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <a84fade15b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
> JavaScript, after intermittent blocks:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
> They don't currently appear to be doing anything than testing whether JS
> is enabled in the browser, rather than actually using it to manipulate
> the results display, because simply switching JS on in Netsurf produces
> the same listings as before (whereas it has no effect on most 'requires
> JavaScript' sites beyond slowing down the rendering of the page).
> DuckDuckGo displays a completely blank page with nothing in it but a
> text icon, which appears to work for searching with JS both on and off,
> but is not reassuring....
Searchy by Andrew Poole appears to work okay with Google still. Just have
to make sure you have JS switched on in NS.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
> JavaScript, after intermittent blocks:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
> They don't currently appear to be doing anything than testing whether JS
> is enabled in the browser, rather than actually using it to manipulate
> the results display, because simply switching JS on in Netsurf produces
> the same listings as before (whereas it has no effect on most 'requires
> JavaScript' sites beyond slowing down the rendering of the page).
> DuckDuckGo displays a completely blank page with nothing in it but a
> text icon, which appears to work for searching with JS both on and off,
> but is not reassuring....
Searchy by Andrew Poole appears to work okay with Google still. Just have
to make sure you have JS switched on in NS.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <5bec81139cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
>> from Google.
> What happens if you enable JS?
It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
generates a blank page.
However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
enabled.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
>> from Google.
> What happens if you enable JS?
It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
generates a blank page.
However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
enabled.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > The URL of the search that worked was:
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> > le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> from Google.
What happens if you enable JS?
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
The Europeans invest to provide value. The Anglo Saxons only invest to reduce costs. (Sir Alister Morton, Chairman of EuroTunnel)
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > The URL of the search that worked was:
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> > le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> from Google.
What happens if you enable JS?
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
The Europeans invest to provide value. The Anglo Saxons only invest to reduce costs. (Sir Alister Morton, Chairman of EuroTunnel)
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <5be8e99ef3john@jaharrison.me.uk>
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page from
Google. Using NetSurf build 6786
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page from
Google. Using NetSurf build 6786
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Tuesday, 4 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <2c3f1be95b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
> John Harrison wrote:
>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
> display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
> detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
> see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
The URL above works on all three machines:- ARMX6, Qube, and two Pi
machines, 4te and Qube.
I don't know what to make of it, but notice that the above URL is http,
not https.
--
John Rickman
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
> John Harrison wrote:
>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
> display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
> detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
> see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
The URL above works on all three machines:- ARMX6, Qube, and two Pi
machines, 4te and Qube.
I don't know what to make of it, but notice that the above URL is http,
not https.
--
John Rickman
Sunday, 2 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
John Harrison wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> and of the one that didn't was:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
>
NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Old Programmers never die. They just terminate and stay resident
John Harrison wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> and of the one that didn't was:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
>
NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Old Programmers never die. They just terminate and stay resident
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
John Harrison wrote:
> In article <3f66d9e85b.John@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
> John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
>
> How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
> JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
>
I think that may be a red herring; turning on JavaScript worked for me
on my ARMX6 for a while, and then I just got some kind of "we have
decided that you are a robot" error and it stopped working.
And Jean-Michel reported that he needed to keep wiping NetSurf's cookies
file before using Google search in order to avoid the same issue.
So it may well be completely unrelated to the OS or whether you are
using google.com or google.co.uk, and simply a random check that they
run every so many searches before flagging you up as a 'bad actor'....
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
John Harrison wrote:
> In article <3f66d9e85b.John@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
> John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
>
> How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
> JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
>
I think that may be a red herring; turning on JavaScript worked for me
on my ARMX6 for a while, and then I just got some kind of "we have
decided that you are a robot" error and it stopped working.
And Jean-Michel reported that he needed to keep wiping NetSurf's cookies
file before using Google search in order to avoid the same issue.
So it may well be completely unrelated to the OS or whether you are
using google.com or google.co.uk, and simply a random check that they
run every so many searches before flagging you up as a 'bad actor'....
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In article <3f66d9e85b.John@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
Then (on 4te2) instead of using the Google search in NetSurf welcome page
I went to google.com and searched from there. That also worked. So the
fact that the search is initiated from the local Netsurf page rather than
from Google's website seems significant.
The URL of the search that worked was:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
and of the one that didn't was:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
There is no such thing as a failed experiment, only an experiment with an unexpected outcome. (Richard Buckminster-Fuller)
John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
Then (on 4te2) instead of using the Google search in NetSurf welcome page
I went to google.com and searched from there. That also worked. So the
fact that the search is initiated from the local Netsurf page rather than
from Google's website seems significant.
The URL of the search that worked was:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
and of the one that didn't was:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
There is no such thing as a failed experiment, only an experiment with an unexpected outcome. (Richard Buckminster-Fuller)
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <df4f70e85b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
What is puzzling is that Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but
not with my Qube CM4. The NetSurf version is the same on both machines. It
might ne accounted for by different levels of OSARMX6 is on 5.31 and Qube
is using 5.29.
The Qube produces a blank page for NetSurf Google searches of the
internet. If I use it to search my own website it puts up an are you a
robot page.
Curious as obviously both machines use the same internet access ip
address.
John
--
John Rickman
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
What is puzzling is that Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but
not with my Qube CM4. The NetSurf version is the same on both machines. It
might ne accounted for by different levels of OSARMX6 is on 5.31 and Qube
is using 5.29.
The Qube produces a blank page for NetSurf Google searches of the
internet. If I use it to search my own website it puts up an are you a
robot page.
Curious as obviously both machines use the same internet access ip
address.
John
--
John Rickman
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In article <df4f70e85b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> 've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
Only in part. If you do a search and then select Images it goes blank,
and the options get scrambled so you can't easily get back. For some odd
reason that doesn't happen if I select Videos, which seems to work OK
(though obviously I can't open the videos, so not much use),
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change those that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. (Reinhold Niehbuhr)
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> 've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
Only in part. If you do a search and then select Images it goes blank,
and the options get scrambled so you can't easily get back. For some odd
reason that doesn't happen if I select Videos, which seems to work OK
(though obviously I can't open the videos, so not much use),
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
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Saturday, 1 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <109836e25b.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2025 Harriet Bazley wrote:
>> "The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, ?fewer than
>> .1%? of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
>> That?s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
>> billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
>> performing searches through Google aren?t using JavaScript."
> Well .1% of 8.5 billion is still a big figure.
> In any case I do have javascript turned on and still get blocked.
I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2025 Harriet Bazley wrote:
>> "The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, ?fewer than
>> .1%? of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
>> That?s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
>> billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
>> performing searches through Google aren?t using JavaScript."
> Well .1% of 8.5 billion is still a big figure.
> In any case I do have javascript turned on and still get blocked.
I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Monday, 20 January 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 19 Jan 2025 Harriet Bazley wrote:
> "The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, ?fewer than
> .1%? of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
> That?s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
> billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
> performing searches through Google aren?t using JavaScript."
Well .1% of 8.5 billion is still a big figure.
In any case I do have javascript turned on and still get blocked.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com
+44 7527 165769 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
> "The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, ?fewer than
> .1%? of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
> That?s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
> billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
> performing searches through Google aren?t using JavaScript."
Well .1% of 8.5 billion is still a big figure.
In any case I do have javascript turned on and still get blocked.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com
+44 7527 165769 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
Sunday, 19 January 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 19 Jan 2025 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:
> Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
> JavaScript, after intermittent blocks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
>
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/17/google-begins-requiring-javascript-for-google-search/
"The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, �fewer than
.1%� of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
That�s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
performing searches through Google aren�t using JavaScript."
--
H. Bazley
Wimbledon SW19 020 3581 4684
Harriet Bazley wrote:
> Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
> JavaScript, after intermittent blocks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
>
https://techcrunch.com/2025/01/17/google-begins-requiring-javascript-for-google-search/
"The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, �fewer than
.1%� of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
That�s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
performing searches through Google aren�t using JavaScript."
--
H. Bazley
Wimbledon SW19 020 3581 4684
[netsurf-users] Google search
Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
JavaScript, after intermittent blocks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
They don't currently appear to be doing anything than testing whether JS
is enabled in the browser, rather than actually using it to manipulate
the results display, because simply switching JS on in Netsurf produces
the same listings as before (whereas it has no effect on most 'requires
JavaScript' sites beyond slowing down the rendering of the page).
DuckDuckGo displays a completely blank page with nothing in it but a
text icon, which appears to work for searching with JS both on and off,
but is not reassuring....
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Down with categorical imperatives!
JavaScript, after intermittent blocks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
They don't currently appear to be doing anything than testing whether JS
is enabled in the browser, rather than actually using it to manipulate
the results display, because simply switching JS on in Netsurf produces
the same listings as before (whereas it has no effect on most 'requires
JavaScript' sites beyond slowing down the rendering of the page).
DuckDuckGo displays a completely blank page with nothing in it but a
text icon, which appears to work for searching with JS both on and off,
but is not reassuring....
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Down with categorical imperatives!
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