On Tue, 30 Sep 2014 10:20:06 +0100
Sean Kelly <sean@caluse.net> wrote:
> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the
> following error:
>
> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $?
> "building RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
Have you tried running this command?
autoreconf --verbose --force
Maybe it is just that the autotools-related files are outdated.
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Re: [Rpcemu] Allegro not installed Mint 17
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2014 10:20:06 Sean Kelly wrote:
> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
> error:
>
> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
> RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
>
> In spite of having done this:
>
> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
> liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
>
> with the following response:
>
> Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
> build-essential is already the newest version.
> unzip is already the newest version.
> wget is already the newest version.
> liballegro4-dev is already the newest version.
> subversion is already the newest version.
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version.
> liballegro4.2 is already the newest version.
> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 15 not to upgrade.
>
> The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
>
> liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4,
> liballegro4-dev, liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
If it is of any help I am running Kubuntu 14.04 and RPCEmu is running fine,
dpkg -l shows the following installed.
ii liballegro4-dev 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
ii liballegro4.4:amd64 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
ii liballegro4.4-plugin-al 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
ii libjpgalleg4.4:amd64 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
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> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
> error:
>
> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
> RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
>
> In spite of having done this:
>
> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
> liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
>
> with the following response:
>
> Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
> build-essential is already the newest version.
> unzip is already the newest version.
> wget is already the newest version.
> liballegro4-dev is already the newest version.
> subversion is already the newest version.
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version.
> liballegro4.2 is already the newest version.
> 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 15 not to upgrade.
>
> The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
>
> liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4,
> liballegro4-dev, liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
If it is of any help I am running Kubuntu 14.04 and RPCEmu is running fine,
dpkg -l shows the following installed.
ii liballegro4-dev 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
ii liballegro4.4:amd64 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
ii liballegro4.4-plugin-al 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
ii libjpgalleg4.4:amd64 2:4.4.2-4 amd64
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Re: [Rpcemu] Allegro not installed Mint 17
Sean Kelly, on 30 Sep, wrote:
> Thanks for the idea. I removed all bar liballegro4.2 and
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, when Synaptic removed liballegro4 it also took
> out liballegro4-dev.
>
> As liballegro4-dev requires liballegro4, in order to get the ...dev I
> downloaded liballegro4.2-dev, which depends on libx11 which depends on
> libx11-6 which is already installed but not recognised by Synaptic...so
> back to software manager to install liballegro4-dev and liballegro4.
>
> The question is why is the liballegro4 installation present (according to
> Software Manager and Synaptic and apt-get) yet not present when I attempt
> the compilation:
The simple answer is that I don't know either, and equally I don't know how
I got away with having no such trouble.
Does src/config.log have anything useful to say.
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> Thanks for the idea. I removed all bar liballegro4.2 and
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, when Synaptic removed liballegro4 it also took
> out liballegro4-dev.
>
> As liballegro4-dev requires liballegro4, in order to get the ...dev I
> downloaded liballegro4.2-dev, which depends on libx11 which depends on
> libx11-6 which is already installed but not recognised by Synaptic...so
> back to software manager to install liballegro4-dev and liballegro4.
>
> The question is why is the liballegro4 installation present (according to
> Software Manager and Synaptic and apt-get) yet not present when I attempt
> the compilation:
The simple answer is that I don't know either, and equally I don't know how
I got away with having no such trouble.
Does src/config.log have anything useful to say.
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Re: [Rpcemu] Allegro not installed Mint 17
In article <542A8BC3.4070405@caluse.net>, Sean Kelly <sean@caluse.net>
wrote:
> Thanks for the idea. I removed all bar liballegro4.2 and
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, when Synaptic removed liballegro4 it also
> took out liballegro4-dev.
[big snip]
I'll be interested in a report in the end of how to deal with this. I've
just switched from Xubuntu to Xfce Mint 17. Not yet attempted to get RPCEmu
re-running.
Sorry if this is a daft idea as I'm clueless about the level of programming
involved, but... If there is an incompatability between the 'current'
Allegro and the 'old' one we require, could it be overcome by using a
'local userspace' set of sources for the Allegro when making RPCEmu? I've
done this to get ffmpeg available as well as avcodec until the developers
get over their spat and recombine (I hope).
Jim
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wrote:
> Thanks for the idea. I removed all bar liballegro4.2 and
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, when Synaptic removed liballegro4 it also
> took out liballegro4-dev.
[big snip]
I'll be interested in a report in the end of how to deal with this. I've
just switched from Xubuntu to Xfce Mint 17. Not yet attempted to get RPCEmu
re-running.
Sorry if this is a daft idea as I'm clueless about the level of programming
involved, but... If there is an incompatability between the 'current'
Allegro and the 'old' one we require, could it be overcome by using a
'local userspace' set of sources for the Allegro when making RPCEmu? I've
done this to get ffmpeg available as well as avcodec until the developers
get over their spat and recombine (I hope).
Jim
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Re: [Rpcemu] Allegro not installed Mint 17
Thanks for the idea. I removed all bar liballegro4.2 and
liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, when Synaptic removed liballegro4 it also
took out liballegro4-dev.
As liballegro4-dev requires liballegro4, in order to get the ...dev I
downloaded liballegro4.2-dev, which depends on libx11 which depends on
libx11-6 which is already installed but not recognised by Synaptic...so
back to software manager to install liballegro4-dev and liballegro4.
The question is why is the liballegro4 installation present (according
to Software Manager and Synaptic and apt-get) yet not present when I
attempt the compilation:
./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
The upgrade to Mint 17 was otherwise fairly painless, but this has me
stumped.
Sean.
On 30/09/14 11:19, David Pitt wrote:
> Sean Kelly, on 30 Sep, wrote:
>
>> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
>> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
>> error:
>>
>> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
>> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
>> RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
>>
>> In spite of having done this:
>>
>> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
>> liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
>>
>> with the following response:
>>
>> Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
>> build-essential is already the newest version. unzip is already the newest
>> version. wget is already the newest version. liballegro4-dev is already
>> the newest version. subversion is already the newest version.
>> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version. liballegro4.2 is
>> already the newest version. 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove
>> and 15 not to upgrade.
>>
>> The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
>>
>> liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4, liballegro4-dev,
>> liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
>>
>> Any suggestions, as always, most welcome.
>
> Also with Mint 17, all I needed to do was have Synaptic get 'lib6-dev',
> which is included in 'build-essential', and 'liballegro4-dev'.
>
> Synaptic shows only 'liballegro4-dev' and 'liballegro4' present. Synaptic's
> Properties Dependencies indicate a conflict with liballegro4.2, perhaps this
> is a case of too much rather than something missing which is a bit of a wild
> guess as opposed to actual knowledge.
>
>
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liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, when Synaptic removed liballegro4 it also
took out liballegro4-dev.
As liballegro4-dev requires liballegro4, in order to get the ...dev I
downloaded liballegro4.2-dev, which depends on libx11 which depends on
libx11-6 which is already installed but not recognised by Synaptic...so
back to software manager to install liballegro4-dev and liballegro4.
The question is why is the liballegro4 installation present (according
to Software Manager and Synaptic and apt-get) yet not present when I
attempt the compilation:
./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
The upgrade to Mint 17 was otherwise fairly painless, but this has me
stumped.
Sean.
On 30/09/14 11:19, David Pitt wrote:
> Sean Kelly, on 30 Sep, wrote:
>
>> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
>> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
>> error:
>>
>> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
>> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
>> RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
>>
>> In spite of having done this:
>>
>> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
>> liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
>>
>> with the following response:
>>
>> Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
>> build-essential is already the newest version. unzip is already the newest
>> version. wget is already the newest version. liballegro4-dev is already
>> the newest version. subversion is already the newest version.
>> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version. liballegro4.2 is
>> already the newest version. 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove
>> and 15 not to upgrade.
>>
>> The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
>>
>> liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4, liballegro4-dev,
>> liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
>>
>> Any suggestions, as always, most welcome.
>
> Also with Mint 17, all I needed to do was have Synaptic get 'lib6-dev',
> which is included in 'build-essential', and 'liballegro4-dev'.
>
> Synaptic shows only 'liballegro4-dev' and 'liballegro4' present. Synaptic's
> Properties Dependencies indicate a conflict with liballegro4.2, perhaps this
> is a case of too much rather than something missing which is a bit of a wild
> guess as opposed to actual knowledge.
>
>
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Re: [Rpcemu] Allegro not installed Mint 17
Sean Kelly, on 30 Sep, wrote:
>
> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
> error:
>
> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
> RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
>
> In spite of having done this:
>
> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
> liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
>
> with the following response:
>
> Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
> build-essential is already the newest version. unzip is already the newest
> version. wget is already the newest version. liballegro4-dev is already
> the newest version. subversion is already the newest version.
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version. liballegro4.2 is
> already the newest version. 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove
> and 15 not to upgrade.
>
> The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
>
> liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4, liballegro4-dev,
> liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
>
> Any suggestions, as always, most welcome.
Also with Mint 17, all I needed to do was have Synaptic get 'lib6-dev',
which is included in 'build-essential', and 'liballegro4-dev'.
Synaptic shows only 'liballegro4-dev' and 'liballegro4' present. Synaptic's
Properties Dependencies indicate a conflict with liballegro4.2, perhaps this
is a case of too much rather than something missing which is a bit of a wild
guess as opposed to actual knowledge.
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>
> I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
> RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
> error:
>
> ./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
> ./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
> RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
>
> In spite of having done this:
>
> sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
> liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
>
> with the following response:
>
> Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
> build-essential is already the newest version. unzip is already the newest
> version. wget is already the newest version. liballegro4-dev is already
> the newest version. subversion is already the newest version.
> liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version. liballegro4.2 is
> already the newest version. 0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove
> and 15 not to upgrade.
>
> The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
>
> liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4, liballegro4-dev,
> liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
>
> Any suggestions, as always, most welcome.
Also with Mint 17, all I needed to do was have Synaptic get 'lib6-dev',
which is included in 'build-essential', and 'liballegro4-dev'.
Synaptic shows only 'liballegro4-dev' and 'liballegro4' present. Synaptic's
Properties Dependencies indicate a conflict with liballegro4.2, perhaps this
is a case of too much rather than something missing which is a bit of a wild
guess as opposed to actual knowledge.
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[Rpcemu] Allegro not installed Mint 17
I have just moved from Mint 16 to Mint 17 and am trying to recompile
RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
error:
./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
In spite of having done this:
sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
with the following response:
Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
build-essential is already the newest version.
unzip is already the newest version.
wget is already the newest version.
liballegro4-dev is already the newest version.
subversion is already the newest version.
liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version.
liballegro4.2 is already the newest version.
0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 15 not to upgrade.
The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4,
liballegro4-dev, liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
Any suggestions, as always, most welcome.
Sean.
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RPCEmu but it looks as if Allegro 4 is not installed, see the following
error:
./configure: line 4634: syntax error near unexpected token `,'
./configure: line 4634: ` AM_PATH_ALLEGRO(, , as_fn_error $? "building
RPCemu requires Allegro to be installed" "$LINENO" 5)'
In spite of having done this:
sudo apt-get install build-essential subversion liballegro4.2
liballegro4.2-dev liballegro4.2-plugin-jack unzip wget
with the following response:
Note, selecting 'liballegro4-dev' instead of 'liballegro4.2-dev'
build-essential is already the newest version.
unzip is already the newest version.
wget is already the newest version.
liballegro4-dev is already the newest version.
subversion is already the newest version.
liballegro4.2-plugin-jack is already the newest version.
liballegro4.2 is already the newest version.
0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 15 not to upgrade.
The Synaptic package manager lists the following as installed:
liballegro4.2, liballegro4.2-plugin-jack, liballegro4.4,
liballegro4-dev, liballegro4.4-pulgin-alsa
Any suggestions, as always, most welcome.
Sean.
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Monday, 29 September 2014
Re: "Warning from Netsurf"
On 29 Sep 2014 Andrew Pinder wrote:
>> No, it's JavaScript.
> So there's a downside to NetSurf having acquired JS support ;-)
On the other hand you could delight in pointing out to the site
concerned that you are using the September 29th build of your browser
and asking how much newer they expect it to be!
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
>> No, it's JavaScript.
> So there's a downside to NetSurf having acquired JS support ;-)
On the other hand you could delight in pointing out to the site
concerned that you are using the September 29th build of your browser
and asking how much newer they expect it to be!
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Re: "Warning from Netsurf"
In message <20140929114457.GM20162@platypus.pepperfish.net>
on 29 Sep 2014 Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:27:16PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
>> 1. By what process was this message generated?
> JavaScript.
Some sites produce this kind of message with IE8
>> 2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
>> ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
> No, it's JavaScript.
So there's a downside to NetSurf having acquired JS support ;-)
Regards
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on 29 Sep 2014 Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:27:16PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
>> 1. By what process was this message generated?
> JavaScript.
Some sites produce this kind of message with IE8
>> 2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
>> ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
> No, it's JavaScript.
So there's a downside to NetSurf having acquired JS support ;-)
Regards
Andrew
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Re: "Warning from Netsurf"
On 29 Sep 2014 Jim Nagel wrote:
> I have just seen an error message of a sort I've never seen before:
> WARNING !!! Your browser is too old and will not display the
> page optimally !
[snip]
> So I'm curious:
> 1. By what process was this message generated?
> 2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
> ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
> 3. Why is the error message not recorded by Syslog?
I get this sort of thing frequently with Oregano but not usually with
NetSurf. It's generated by the web page - javascript I guess. That
figures because I try Oregano with sites that don't display on
NetSurf.
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> I have just seen an error message of a sort I've never seen before:
> WARNING !!! Your browser is too old and will not display the
> page optimally !
[snip]
> So I'm curious:
> 1. By what process was this message generated?
> 2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
> ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
> 3. Why is the error message not recorded by Syslog?
I get this sort of thing frequently with Oregano but not usually with
NetSurf. It's generated by the web page - javascript I guess. That
figures because I try Oregano with sites that don't display on
NetSurf.
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Re: "Warning from Netsurf"
On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 12:27:16PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> 1. By what process was this message generated?
JavaScript.
> 2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
> ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
No, it's JavaScript.
> 3. Why is the error message not recorded by Syslog?
It's not a WIMP message box, it's a NetSurf one.
B.
> 1. By what process was this message generated?
JavaScript.
> 2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
> ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
No, it's JavaScript.
> 3. Why is the error message not recorded by Syslog?
It's not a WIMP message box, it's a NetSurf one.
B.
"Warning from Netsurf"
I have just seen an error message of a sort I've never seen before:
Warning from Netsurf
(that's the title bar of the RiscOS panel)
WARNING !!! Your browser is too old and will not display the
page optimally !
(screechmarks are spaced exactly like that)
The only action button provided is "Continue"
This warning popped up when I tried to visit
www.cordless-phones.uk.com/cordless-phones/cordlessphones-answering-machine/bt-synergy-4500-dect
I inspected the HTML source of this page and can't see anything to
generate such a warning from the browser. It's repeatable.
So I'm curious:
1. By what process was this message generated?
2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
3. Why is the error message not recorded by Syslog?
The display of the page, by the way, seemed OK despite the warning.
(Anyway, it was good enough to tell me what I wanted to find out about
the cordless phone in question.)
Using Iyonix with OS 5.18.
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|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Warning from Netsurf
(that's the title bar of the RiscOS panel)
WARNING !!! Your browser is too old and will not display the
page optimally !
(screechmarks are spaced exactly like that)
The only action button provided is "Continue"
This warning popped up when I tried to visit
www.cordless-phones.uk.com/cordless-phones/cordlessphones-answering-machine/bt-synergy-4500-dect
I inspected the HTML source of this page and can't see anything to
generate such a warning from the browser. It's repeatable.
So I'm curious:
1. By what process was this message generated?
2. Is it indeed Netsurf that generates the message? If so, it's
ironic that I'm using a very recent build, Netsurf #2124.
3. Why is the error message not recorded by Syslog?
The display of the page, by the way, seemed OK despite the warning.
(Anyway, it was good enough to tell me what I wanted to find out about
the cordless phone in question.)
Using Iyonix with OS 5.18.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Sunday, 28 September 2014
Re: Latest version gives errors
On 27 Sep 2014, glavallin <glavallin@gjlavallin.plus.com> wrote:
> Reciently having major problems running the latest version of Netsurf
> 27-Sep-2014 json-2125
Here, NS #2126 runs without problem on RiscPC, RO 6.20
> I keep on getting the error;
>
> RUN ADFS::HardDidc.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Unixhome.!Boot
As far as I know, NetSurf doesn't use UnixHome, so it seems odd that you
should see that error when starting NetSurf.
Maybe run Reporter to see where the error comes from?
Tony
> Reciently having major problems running the latest version of Netsurf
> 27-Sep-2014 json-2125
Here, NS #2126 runs without problem on RiscPC, RO 6.20
> I keep on getting the error;
>
> RUN ADFS::HardDidc.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Unixhome.!Boot
As far as I know, NetSurf doesn't use UnixHome, so it seems odd that you
should see that error when starting NetSurf.
Maybe run Reporter to see where the error comes from?
Tony
Saturday, 27 September 2014
Latest version gives errors
hello All
Reciently having major problems running the latest version of Netsurf
27-Sep-2014 json-2125
I keep on getting the error;
RUN ADFS::HardDidc.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Unixhome.!Boot
Error fatal signal recieved: EMI trap
Stack backtrace:
Running thread 0x2abb8
( 47f40) pc: 24d64 lr: 26a04: sp 47f44 _write_backtrace()
( 47fe4) pc: 26560 lr: 29634: sp 47fe0 _unixlib_signal()
( 47ff4) pc: 29534 lr: 1f80c: sp 46ef0 UnixLibErrorHandler()
Invalid pc address 421ae92c
I have applied !
Boot and !System , restarted from scratch and Nersurf will not run.
Latest version that will run without errors is
3.1 (Dev c #1720)
Iyonix 5.16 256Mb
Idears anyone?
Please keep it simple - my brain is hurting already.
--
Geoff
--
Geoff
Reciently having major problems running the latest version of Netsurf
27-Sep-2014 json-2125
I keep on getting the error;
RUN ADFS::HardDidc.$.!BOOT.Resources.!Unixhome.!Boot
Error fatal signal recieved: EMI trap
Stack backtrace:
Running thread 0x2abb8
( 47f40) pc: 24d64 lr: 26a04: sp 47f44 _write_backtrace()
( 47fe4) pc: 26560 lr: 29634: sp 47fe0 _unixlib_signal()
( 47ff4) pc: 29534 lr: 1f80c: sp 46ef0 UnixLibErrorHandler()
Invalid pc address 421ae92c
I have applied !
Boot and !System , restarted from scratch and Nersurf will not run.
Latest version that will run without errors is
3.1 (Dev c #1720)
Iyonix 5.16 256Mb
Idears anyone?
Please keep it simple - my brain is hurting already.
--
Geoff
--
Geoff
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On 27/09/14 10:30, Martin Bazley wrote:
> The correct response to invalid input in a form is to display
> the form again, with the input the user just submitted, and the
> offending fields highlighted and annotated, not to redirect to a blank
> (and uninformative) error page and rely on a convenience feature in the
> browser to prevent the user's data from being summarily deleted.
You could make the feature request to the Mantis developers. Anyway,
this is way off topic for here.
--
Michael Drake http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
> The correct response to invalid input in a form is to display
> the form again, with the input the user just submitted, and the
> offending fields highlighted and annotated, not to redirect to a blank
> (and uninformative) error page and rely on a convenience feature in the
> browser to prevent the user's data from being summarily deleted.
You could make the feature request to the Mantis developers. Anyway,
this is way off topic for here.
--
Michael Drake http://www.netsurf-browser.org/
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
The following bytes were arranged on 25 Sep 2014 by Rob Kendrick :
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 02:38:07PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > So I click "go back".
> > And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
> > Grrrrr.
>
> This is a problem with NetSurf, not the bug tracker. Modern browsers
> annotate history information with form data. We have a plan to do that
> too.
I would venture to suggest that it is more a problem with the bug
tracker. The correct response to invalid input in a form is to display
the form again, with the input the user just submitted, and the
offending fields highlighted and annotated, not to redirect to a blank
(and uninformative) error page and rely on a convenience feature in the
browser to prevent the user's data from being summarily deleted. You
need not look very far on the modern web to see examples of this in
action. For example, most forums will do it for you.
--
__<^>__ === RISC OS is a work of art. Some people adore it, ===
/ _ _ \ === others can't see the point of it, and it's really ===
( ( |_| ) ) === expensive. ===
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ===================
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 02:38:07PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > So I click "go back".
> > And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
> > Grrrrr.
>
> This is a problem with NetSurf, not the bug tracker. Modern browsers
> annotate history information with form data. We have a plan to do that
> too.
I would venture to suggest that it is more a problem with the bug
tracker. The correct response to invalid input in a form is to display
the form again, with the input the user just submitted, and the
offending fields highlighted and annotated, not to redirect to a blank
(and uninformative) error page and rely on a convenience feature in the
browser to prevent the user's data from being summarily deleted. You
need not look very far on the modern web to see examples of this in
action. For example, most forums will do it for you.
--
__<^>__ === RISC OS is a work of art. Some people adore it, ===
/ _ _ \ === others can't see the point of it, and it's really ===
( ( |_| ) ) === expensive. ===
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ===================
Friday, 26 September 2014
Re: Date stamps on resources such as !Cache
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 06:45:25PM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
> Fair enough, and thanks for the link and explanation. However, I
> still don't understand why the date stamps are updated only
> intermittently,
Because the resources come as part of our compiler toolchain, and we
don't rebuild that very often. (It's rarely changed.)
B.
> Fair enough, and thanks for the link and explanation. However, I
> still don't understand why the date stamps are updated only
> intermittently,
Because the resources come as part of our compiler toolchain, and we
don't rebuild that very often. (It's rarely changed.)
B.
Re: Date stamps on resources such as !Cache
In message <20140926130057.GI20162@platypus.pepperfish.net>
on 26 Sep 2014 Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:46:56PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
>> Rob Kendrick wrote on 26 Sep:
>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
>>>> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
>>>> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
>>>> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
>>>> appear to be updated.
>>
>>> Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
>>> use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
>>> viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
>>
>> Please explain "Jenkins interface" and how to get to it. This is a
>> new term on me. Just me? (Mein Unwissendheit entschuldigen, bitte.)
> It is linked to off http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/ - beware that it is
> for advanced users only. These are development builds, after all.
Fair enough, and thanks for the link and explanation. However, I
still don't understand why the date stamps are updated only
intermittently,
Regards
Andrew
--
Andrew Pinder
on 26 Sep 2014 Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:46:56PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
>> Rob Kendrick wrote on 26 Sep:
>>> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
>>>> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
>>>> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
>>>> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
>>>> appear to be updated.
>>
>>> Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
>>> use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
>>> viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
>>
>> Please explain "Jenkins interface" and how to get to it. This is a
>> new term on me. Just me? (Mein Unwissendheit entschuldigen, bitte.)
> It is linked to off http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/ - beware that it is
> for advanced users only. These are development builds, after all.
Fair enough, and thanks for the link and explanation. However, I
still don't understand why the date stamps are updated only
intermittently,
Regards
Andrew
--
Andrew Pinder
Re: Date stamps on resources such as !Cache
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 12:46:56PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> Rob Kendrick wrote on 26 Sep:
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
> >> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
> >> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
> >> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
> >> appear to be updated.
>
> > Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
> > use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
> > viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
>
> Please explain "Jenkins interface" and how to get to it. This is a
> new term on me. Just me? (Mein Unwissendheit entschuldigen, bitte.)
It is linked to off http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/ - beware that it is
for advanced users only. These are development builds, after all.
B.
> Rob Kendrick wrote on 26 Sep:
> > On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
> >> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
> >> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
> >> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
> >> appear to be updated.
>
> > Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
> > use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
> > viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
>
> Please explain "Jenkins interface" and how to get to it. This is a
> new term on me. Just me? (Mein Unwissendheit entschuldigen, bitte.)
It is linked to off http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/ - beware that it is
for advanced users only. These are development builds, after all.
B.
Re: Date stamps on resources such as !Cache
Rob Kendrick wrote on 26 Sep:
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
>> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
>> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
>> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
>> appear to be updated.
> Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
> use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
> viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
Please explain "Jenkins interface" and how to get to it. This is a
new term on me. Just me? (Mein Unwissendheit entschuldigen, bitte.)
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
>> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
>> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
>> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
>> appear to be updated.
> Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
> use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
> viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
Please explain "Jenkins interface" and how to get to it. This is a
new term on me. Just me? (Mein Unwissendheit entschuldigen, bitte.)
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Re: Date stamps on resources such as !Cache
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 07:20:56AM +0100, Andrew Pinder wrote:
> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
> appear to be updated.
Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
B.
> I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
> the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
> appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
> appear to be updated.
Sadly this is an unavoidable artifact of the version control system we
use. Each development build has with it a list of changes that can be
viewed using the Jenkins interface, however.
B.
Thursday, 25 September 2014
Date stamps on resources such as !Cache
I've previously reported that I've experienced problems at boot with
!Cache on my ARMini (RO5.20). I've therefore installed it in
Utilities.Caution and have got a work-round that stops the problems.
I've just downloaded NetSurf build #2123 dated 25 Sep. The copy of
!Cache in the !Boot.Resources directory has a date stamp of 16 Sep
2014. It appears to be identical to the version I have installed
dated 09 June 2014.
I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
appear to be updated.
Regards
Andrew
--
Andrew Pinder
!Cache on my ARMini (RO5.20). I've therefore installed it in
Utilities.Caution and have got a work-round that stops the problems.
I've just downloaded NetSurf build #2123 dated 25 Sep. The copy of
!Cache in the !Boot.Resources directory has a date stamp of 16 Sep
2014. It appears to be identical to the version I have installed
dated 09 June 2014.
I will be happy to install an updated version of !Cache, especially if
the problem I have happens to be solved. In the meantime I would
appreciate it if the datestamps could be preserved so it doesn't
appear to be updated.
Regards
Andrew
--
Andrew Pinder
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
Tony Moore wrote on 25 Sep:
> 'Reported in CI build #' doesn't make it clear that the '#' should be
> omitted from the answer. If the '#' is included, Mantis posts an error.
Is "robust" the right word when I say I think software should be
robust enough to anticipate such variations in user input and quietly
take the bits it wants.
(A pet peeve along this line is software that wants a bank-card
number or a phone number and won't allow the user to type the spaces
or hyphens or parentheses with which such long numbers are always
printed on plastic cards or on paper in order to make them
human-readable and human-checkable.)
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
> 'Reported in CI build #' doesn't make it clear that the '#' should be
> omitted from the answer. If the '#' is included, Mantis posts an error.
Is "robust" the right word when I say I think software should be
robust enough to anticipate such variations in user input and quietly
take the bits it wants.
(A pet peeve along this line is software that wants a bank-card
number or a phone number and won't allow the user to type the spaces
or hyphens or parentheses with which such long numbers are always
printed on plastic cards or on paper in order to make them
human-readable and human-checkable.)
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On 25 Sep 2014, Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 02:38:07PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > Jim Nagel wrote on 25 Sep:
[snip]
> > I had said Netsurf 3.2.
>
> Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
'Product version' leads to a drop-down menu, which doesn't contain the
latest version, ie 3.2 is present, but 3.3 is absent. It is thus not
possible to enter the current version. Fortunately, Mantis doesn't seem
to care about this, and the field can be left blank.
'Reported in CI build #' doesn't make it clear that the '#' should be
omitted from the answer. If the '#' is included, Mantis posts an error.
Tony
> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 02:38:07PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > Jim Nagel wrote on 25 Sep:
[snip]
> > I had said Netsurf 3.2.
>
> Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
'Product version' leads to a drop-down menu, which doesn't contain the
latest version, ie 3.2 is present, but 3.3 is absent. It is thus not
possible to enter the current version. Fortunately, Mantis doesn't seem
to care about this, and the field can be left blank.
'Reported in CI build #' doesn't make it clear that the '#' should be
omitted from the answer. If the '#' is included, Mantis posts an error.
Tony
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 03:01:14PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> Rob Kendrick wrote on 25 Sep:
> > Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
>
> The former. Is Mantis not robust enough to cope with both?
It's robust in the sense that it detected you gave it nonsense rather
than inserting inconsistent data into the database.
> But upon doublechecking my iconbar, I find I'm wrong. I'm using "3.1
> (Dev Cl #1718)" on this Iyonix. Must be one of my other machines
> where I have 3.2 -- will check.
When you see Dev CI (not CL) versions, you'll want to mention this
number, too.
> Info expected by Mantis in some fields was not obvious.
> Is the best course then to leave such fields blank and just make sure
> the freeform fields include all relevant info?
If in doubt, provide more information. Yes, opening the submit button
in a new window is probably the best way to go about using it.
B.
> Rob Kendrick wrote on 25 Sep:
> > Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
>
> The former. Is Mantis not robust enough to cope with both?
It's robust in the sense that it detected you gave it nonsense rather
than inserting inconsistent data into the database.
> But upon doublechecking my iconbar, I find I'm wrong. I'm using "3.1
> (Dev Cl #1718)" on this Iyonix. Must be one of my other machines
> where I have 3.2 -- will check.
When you see Dev CI (not CL) versions, you'll want to mention this
number, too.
> Info expected by Mantis in some fields was not obvious.
> Is the best course then to leave such fields blank and just make sure
> the freeform fields include all relevant info?
If in doubt, provide more information. Yes, opening the submit button
in a new window is probably the best way to go about using it.
B.
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
Rob Kendrick wrote on 25 Sep:
> Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
The former. Is Mantis not robust enough to cope with both?
But upon doublechecking my iconbar, I find I'm wrong. I'm using "3.1
(Dev Cl #1718)" on this Iyonix. Must be one of my other machines
where I have 3.2 -- will check.
>> So I click "go back".
>> And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
>> Grrrrr.
> This is a problem with NetSurf, not the bug tracker. Modern browsers
> annotate history information with form data. We have a plan to do that
> too.
Glad to hear that.
This is first time I've used Mantis. Submitted occasional bug report
in the past on Sourceforge (which was not always straightforward,
using Netsurf; I think I recall that that's why you switched).
Info expected by Mantis in some fields was not obvious.
Is the best course then to leave such fields blank and just make sure
the freeform fields include all relevant info?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
> Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
The former. Is Mantis not robust enough to cope with both?
But upon doublechecking my iconbar, I find I'm wrong. I'm using "3.1
(Dev Cl #1718)" on this Iyonix. Must be one of my other machines
where I have 3.2 -- will check.
>> So I click "go back".
>> And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
>> Grrrrr.
> This is a problem with NetSurf, not the bug tracker. Modern browsers
> annotate history information with form data. We have a plan to do that
> too.
Glad to hear that.
This is first time I've used Mantis. Submitted occasional bug report
in the past on Sourceforge (which was not always straightforward,
using Netsurf; I think I recall that that's why you switched).
Info expected by Mantis in some fields was not obvious.
Is the best course then to leave such fields blank and just make sure
the freeform fields include all relevant info?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 02:38:07PM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> Jim Nagel wrote on 25 Sep:
> > Tried to log in to Mantis just now to report this bug, but no luck.
> > So I'll post the problem here while it's fresh in mind.
>
>
> Sorted out the Mantis login problem, thanks to Vince Sanders.
> So I duly logged in and filled in a formal bug report; clicked Submit.
> Mantis response (I paraphrase from memory):
> Invalid report. Netsurf build number required.
> I had said Netsurf 3.2.
Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
> So I click "go back".
> And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
> Grrrrr.
This is a problem with NetSurf, not the bug tracker. Modern browsers
annotate history information with form data. We have a plan to do that
too.
B.
> Jim Nagel wrote on 25 Sep:
> > Tried to log in to Mantis just now to report this bug, but no luck.
> > So I'll post the problem here while it's fresh in mind.
>
>
> Sorted out the Mantis login problem, thanks to Vince Sanders.
> So I duly logged in and filled in a formal bug report; clicked Submit.
> Mantis response (I paraphrase from memory):
> Invalid report. Netsurf build number required.
> I had said Netsurf 3.2.
Did you say "Netsurf 3.2" or "3.2" ?
> So I click "go back".
> And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
> Grrrrr.
This is a problem with NetSurf, not the bug tracker. Modern browsers
annotate history information with form data. We have a plan to do that
too.
B.
Re: bug about SSL security certificate -- Mantis grrrr
Jim Nagel wrote on 25 Sep:
> Tried to log in to Mantis just now to report this bug, but no luck.
> So I'll post the problem here while it's fresh in mind.
Sorted out the Mantis login problem, thanks to Vince Sanders.
So I duly logged in and filled in a formal bug report; clicked Submit.
Mantis response (I paraphrase from memory):
Invalid report. Netsurf build number required.
I had said Netsurf 3.2.
So I click "go back".
And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
Grrrrr.
Well, I've already reported the bug here on this mailinglist, so that
will have to do. Life is becoming short.
Another lesson, I guess, in hindsight-wisdom: in future I shall
always click a Submit button with Adjust rather than with Select.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
> Tried to log in to Mantis just now to report this bug, but no luck.
> So I'll post the problem here while it's fresh in mind.
Sorted out the Mantis login problem, thanks to Vince Sanders.
So I duly logged in and filled in a formal bug report; clicked Submit.
Mantis response (I paraphrase from memory):
Invalid report. Netsurf build number required.
I had said Netsurf 3.2.
So I click "go back".
And there is a blank page expecting me to fill in ALL the info again.
Grrrrr.
Well, I've already reported the bug here on this mailinglist, so that
will have to do. Life is becoming short.
Another lesson, I guess, in hindsight-wisdom: in future I shall
always click a Submit button with Adjust rather than with Select.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
bug about SSL security certificate
Tried to log in to Mantis just now to report this bug, but no luck.
So I'll post the problem here while it's fresh in mind.
Tried to go to this site: http://app.fsbcardprocessing.co.uk
Netsurf pops up a warning about SSL security certificate, offering two
choices: Reject or Accept.
Click either button, Netsurf crashes.
Here's my log:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NSbug-log-140925.zip (4K)
Netsurf 3.2 (freshly launched, by the way) on Iyonix 5.18.
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So I'll post the problem here while it's fresh in mind.
Tried to go to this site: http://app.fsbcardprocessing.co.uk
Netsurf pops up a warning about SSL security certificate, offering two
choices: Reject or Accept.
Click either button, Netsurf crashes.
Here's my log:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NSbug-log-140925.zip (4K)
Netsurf 3.2 (freshly launched, by the way) on Iyonix 5.18.
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Wednesday, 24 September 2014
Re: boxconvert
In message <35e23c4c54.jim@abbeypress.net>
Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> What means the "boxconvert" error that Netsurf 3.2 gives for this
> site? http://glastonbury.bocabar.co.uk/
> (Using Ro 5.18 on Iyonix).
I also get said "boxconvert" warning using RO Pi 5.21
Not an expert in HTML but seems that a call to "html-marquee" in the
following extract is the offending code (I viewed the source in
Firefox):
<style type="text/css">
.html-marquee {height:35px;width:730px;background-image:url(http://);f
ont-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:#FAD306;font-weight:bold;border-width:0;bo
rder-style:none;}
</style>
</p>
<h2>
<marquee class="html-marquee" direction="right" behavior="slide"
scrollamount="9">
We are now open on sunday evenings until 10pm<br />
</marquee>
--
Chris
Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> What means the "boxconvert" error that Netsurf 3.2 gives for this
> site? http://glastonbury.bocabar.co.uk/
> (Using Ro 5.18 on Iyonix).
I also get said "boxconvert" warning using RO Pi 5.21
Not an expert in HTML but seems that a call to "html-marquee" in the
following extract is the offending code (I viewed the source in
Firefox):
<style type="text/css">
.html-marquee {height:35px;width:730px;background-image:url(http://);f
ont-family:Arial;font-size:12px;color:#FAD306;font-weight:bold;border-width:0;bo
rder-style:none;}
</style>
</p>
<h2>
<marquee class="html-marquee" direction="right" behavior="slide"
scrollamount="9">
We are now open on sunday evenings until 10pm<br />
</marquee>
--
Chris
Re: Atari test builds
On Wed, 24 Sep 2014 17:28:43 , Vincent Sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 06:28:44PM +0000, Peter Slegg wrote:
> > The Atari build folder is empty:
> >
> > http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/
> >
>
> Unfortunately the CI system master ran itself out of disc and I had to
> clean out some corrupted builds including the gtk,monkey and atari
> directories.
>
> I have rectified the disc issue and we now have plenty of space so
> this should not happen again. sorry for any inconvenience.
>
Thanks Vincent. I assumed it was something more serious than
a broken build and I was puzzled that the other builds were
still there.
This explains it.
Regards,
Peter
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 06:28:44PM +0000, Peter Slegg wrote:
> > The Atari build folder is empty:
> >
> > http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/
> >
>
> Unfortunately the CI system master ran itself out of disc and I had to
> clean out some corrupted builds including the gtk,monkey and atari
> directories.
>
> I have rectified the disc issue and we now have plenty of space so
> this should not happen again. sorry for any inconvenience.
>
Thanks Vincent. I assumed it was something more serious than
a broken build and I was puzzled that the other builds were
still there.
This explains it.
Regards,
Peter
Re: Boxconvert
Funny that Richard Porter and I should come across the same problem
almost simultaneously.
Chris Young wrote on 21 Aug:
> Can you consistently create the error on a particular page? Do you
> have a log file?
I named a site in my post just minutes ago. Here's my log:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NSlog140916.zip (1.3meg)
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almost simultaneously.
Chris Young wrote on 21 Aug:
> Can you consistently create the error on a particular page? Do you
> have a log file?
I named a site in my post just minutes ago. Here's my log:
www.abbeypress.net/TEMP/NSlog140916.zip (1.3meg)
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Re: Atari test builds
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 06:28:44PM +0000, Peter Slegg wrote:
> The Atari build folder is empty:
>
> http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/
>
Unfortunately the CI system master ran itself out of disc and I had to
clean out some corrupted builds including the gtk,monkey and atari
directories.
I have rectified the disc issue and we now have plenty of space so
this should not happen again. sorry for any inconvenience.
--
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/
> The Atari build folder is empty:
>
> http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/
>
Unfortunately the CI system master ran itself out of disc and I had to
clean out some corrupted builds including the gtk,monkey and atari
directories.
I have rectified the disc issue and we now have plenty of space so
this should not happen again. sorry for any inconvenience.
--
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/
boxconvert
What means the "boxconvert" error that Netsurf 3.2 gives for this
site? http://glastonbury.bocabar.co.uk/
(Using Ro 5.18 on Iyonix).
--
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|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
site? http://glastonbury.bocabar.co.uk/
(Using Ro 5.18 on Iyonix).
--
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|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Re: [Rpcemu] RPCEmu on Mac
Hi Gerald,
Again I came a little further.
From the beginning that I did not get the message to select a place
where RPCEmu should find the roms was strange to me. Instead of asking
it crashed immediately.
So for tryings I booted an older Mac with OS10.6 and downloaded RPCEmu
and booted the machine. And voila!
Got a message to select a place for the config files, and the rom files.
And after that it booted!
(only din't got Elite to work... must be Risc OS 3.71 thing)
So I guess this must be a MacOS thingy.
The mac I tried before was MacOS 10.9. and gave all the problems.
May I ask what MacOS version you work with?
Cheers
Koen
--
On 24-09-14 10:03 AM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
> Hi Koen,
>
> This is more of a RISC OS issue, rather than a RPCemu. You'll need to make sure you have the correct !Boot sequence, with all the modules. Also, check to see what modules have been unplugged. It sounds to me like you have a version of !Draw which is too new for the version of RISC OS you're loading (or was it included in ROM in that version?).
>
> The settings I use are SA110, 128MB RAM, 2MB VRAM...and these work on all four of my installs: RISC OS 3.70, 4.39, 5.21 and 6.20. You don't really need much more than 128MB (in fact, probably don't even need that much). OK, StrongARM needs RO3.7. Best thing to do is to try different configs to see what works best for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerald.
>
> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
> www.hollypops.co.uk
>
>
> On 23 Sep 2014, at 22:01, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gerald,
>>
>> Sorry to bother again, but I think my RPCEmu is not working fine.
>> It boots up all right (well I think) but when I click Apps to open !Draw,
>> Then I get a view errors.
>> - File 'Desktop_Draw' not found
>> - NoSuchSWI:SWI not known
>>
>> And when I try again I get
>> - There is not enough free memory to start this application
>>
>> My configuration at the moment is ARM7500, with 256 MB memory and no VRAM. Using RiscOS3_60
>> When I alter these settings, I get a blue screen when I start up and it stays like that.
>>
>> Could you help a bit more?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Koen
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On 15-09-14 09:55 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>> First thing I would do, would be to set up a working RiscPC, with the basic !Boot (I've stuck mine in HostFS). The boot sequence can be downloaded from various places - I would start looking: RPCemu site, www.riscosopen.org (where you can also find RISC OS 5), and www.riscos.com.
>>>
>>> To get the data from your old hard disc images, I'd fire up Arculator and extract the contents out (can't remember how to with Arculator - and I can't find a good Mac OS version).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gerald.
>>>
>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 20:34, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, next problem comes up.
>>>> Not easy to set the Emu up.
>>>> I have an 'hd4.hdf' and 'hd5.hdf' from an old arculator, so I copied them on the place where RPCEmu wants them (there is some example hd4 file)
>>>> And booted the RPCEmu. But the screen stays blue.
>>>> (thought Windows had a blue screen patent???)
>>>>
>>>> Why doen't it take my hd4 drive?
>>>> I have also a disc called RiscOS3.adl but also this one does not want to boot.
>>>>
>>>> any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Koen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On 15-09-14 08:51 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I found that when I was trying to simulate running it for the first time - it seemed to 'remember' the settings from somewhere else. I wonder if it's used a similar plist file in the System/Library/Preferences folder...
>>>>>
>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:45, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh I just realized that I did not reply to the mailing list...
>>>>>> Ooops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now a strange thing has happened. Since I removed th plist file, it is gone forever????
>>>>>> It's not in the library folder anymore....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok point to get mad....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15-09-14 08:25 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Annoyingly, none of my replies has gone to the rpcemu mailing list - they all bounced back as undeliverable...not sure why. But, I'll try again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anywho, what does it say in the plist file? i.e. where does it think that the data directory is?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:17, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well something is defenetly going wrong.
>>>>>>>> because it doesn't absk me to point the rom files.
>>>>>>>> Should I contact Francis Devereux?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 07:46 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> When you run the application for the first time, it will attempt to create one. If it can't find any ROM files in the rom directory, it should say that no ROM image is found, and ask you to point to the location of one (which it will then copy into the data directory). You should be able to change this location through File->Preferences, or by editing the plist file (you can point this to an empty folder if you wish).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't remember where the default location of the data directory is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 17:04, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deleted the application and the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>>>> Then downloaded again and read the manual once more. There it talks about the Data directory.
>>>>>>>>>> Where should I normally find this data directory? (which should contains your hard disc files, ROM image and rpc.cfg file)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or should I create that myself?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:32 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that won't help - you'll need to re-install from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:25, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I am a bit confused.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I deleted the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I set the directory to DefaultDataDir?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what data directory should I delete?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the 'DefaultDataDir' there is also : 'English.lproj' folder and the follwoing documents : 'RPCEMU.icns' - 'hostfs,ffa' - 'hostfsfiler,ffa'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:04 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you changed the data directory location? You can check where this is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OS X specific settings, such as the location of your RPCEmu data directory, are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist. If you have problems setting up RPCEmu and need to start again from scratch you can delete this file and your data directory."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it is pointing towards the DefaultDataDir, then yes, the ROMS go into the roms sub-folder (you should have other sub-folders alongside roms).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:48, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I know, was hasitating to post the links, naughty me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I did put them in the roms folder, but still no starting up :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear where I have put them :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opened the 'package contents' of the RPCEmu.app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browsed to : contents/resources/DefaultDataDir/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there was also a little 'roms.txt' file in it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 04:41 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, RISC OS 3.50+ is illegal to distribute freely (like any other commercial software package) and, hence, those links are probably breaking the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that said, the RISC OS 3.60 archives supplied will unzip to 4 1MB files which can be dropped into the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:09, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got them from : http://rolf.yuss.org/~aaront/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or from : http://www.4corn.co.uk/aview.php?sPath=/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 03:05 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have, typically, 4 ROMs of 1MB in size (this is based on my 3.7 install) - of course, it is entirely feasible (and accepted by RPCemu) to have this 4MB as 2x2MB or 1x4MB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get your RISC OS 3.6 ROMs from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 13:35, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just put the 3.6 version in the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again it crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I start the application I get the following message :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROM Image of unsupported size: expecting 2MB, 4MB, 6MB or 8MB, got 524288 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it quits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 10:49 AM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RISC OS 3.11 won't work with RPCemu, as it emulates a RiscPC and not an Archimedes. 3.6 should be OK - I have 4 different setups for 3.7, 4.39, 5.21 and 6.20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way will it not start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 09:19, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being curious as an Acorn BBC Master player, I wondered how a Archimedes would work on my Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found on http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu site a link of RPCEmu for mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I downloaded it and also downloaded the ROM images that are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked in the RPCEmu application and found the 'roms' folder and placed 4 rom images (3.11 or 3.6) hoping the emulator would start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunate it didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rpcemu mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rpcemu@riscos.info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.riscos.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rpcemu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Again I came a little further.
From the beginning that I did not get the message to select a place
where RPCEmu should find the roms was strange to me. Instead of asking
it crashed immediately.
So for tryings I booted an older Mac with OS10.6 and downloaded RPCEmu
and booted the machine. And voila!
Got a message to select a place for the config files, and the rom files.
And after that it booted!
(only din't got Elite to work... must be Risc OS 3.71 thing)
So I guess this must be a MacOS thingy.
The mac I tried before was MacOS 10.9. and gave all the problems.
May I ask what MacOS version you work with?
Cheers
Koen
--
On 24-09-14 10:03 AM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
> Hi Koen,
>
> This is more of a RISC OS issue, rather than a RPCemu. You'll need to make sure you have the correct !Boot sequence, with all the modules. Also, check to see what modules have been unplugged. It sounds to me like you have a version of !Draw which is too new for the version of RISC OS you're loading (or was it included in ROM in that version?).
>
> The settings I use are SA110, 128MB RAM, 2MB VRAM...and these work on all four of my installs: RISC OS 3.70, 4.39, 5.21 and 6.20. You don't really need much more than 128MB (in fact, probably don't even need that much). OK, StrongARM needs RO3.7. Best thing to do is to try different configs to see what works best for you.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerald.
>
> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
> www.hollypops.co.uk
>
>
> On 23 Sep 2014, at 22:01, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>
>> Hi Gerald,
>>
>> Sorry to bother again, but I think my RPCEmu is not working fine.
>> It boots up all right (well I think) but when I click Apps to open !Draw,
>> Then I get a view errors.
>> - File 'Desktop_Draw' not found
>> - NoSuchSWI:SWI not known
>>
>> And when I try again I get
>> - There is not enough free memory to start this application
>>
>> My configuration at the moment is ARM7500, with 256 MB memory and no VRAM. Using RiscOS3_60
>> When I alter these settings, I get a blue screen when I start up and it stays like that.
>>
>> Could you help a bit more?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Koen
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> On 15-09-14 09:55 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>> First thing I would do, would be to set up a working RiscPC, with the basic !Boot (I've stuck mine in HostFS). The boot sequence can be downloaded from various places - I would start looking: RPCemu site, www.riscosopen.org (where you can also find RISC OS 5), and www.riscos.com.
>>>
>>> To get the data from your old hard disc images, I'd fire up Arculator and extract the contents out (can't remember how to with Arculator - and I can't find a good Mac OS version).
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Gerald.
>>>
>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 20:34, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ok, next problem comes up.
>>>> Not easy to set the Emu up.
>>>> I have an 'hd4.hdf' and 'hd5.hdf' from an old arculator, so I copied them on the place where RPCEmu wants them (there is some example hd4 file)
>>>> And booted the RPCEmu. But the screen stays blue.
>>>> (thought Windows had a blue screen patent???)
>>>>
>>>> Why doen't it take my hd4 drive?
>>>> I have also a disc called RiscOS3.adl but also this one does not want to boot.
>>>>
>>>> any suggestions?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Koen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On 15-09-14 08:51 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>> Yeah, I found that when I was trying to simulate running it for the first time - it seemed to 'remember' the settings from somewhere else. I wonder if it's used a similar plist file in the System/Library/Preferences folder...
>>>>>
>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:45, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh I just realized that I did not reply to the mailing list...
>>>>>> Ooops.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now a strange thing has happened. Since I removed th plist file, it is gone forever????
>>>>>> It's not in the library folder anymore....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok point to get mad....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15-09-14 08:25 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> Annoyingly, none of my replies has gone to the rpcemu mailing list - they all bounced back as undeliverable...not sure why. But, I'll try again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anywho, what does it say in the plist file? i.e. where does it think that the data directory is?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:17, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well something is defenetly going wrong.
>>>>>>>> because it doesn't absk me to point the rom files.
>>>>>>>> Should I contact Francis Devereux?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 07:46 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> When you run the application for the first time, it will attempt to create one. If it can't find any ROM files in the rom directory, it should say that no ROM image is found, and ask you to point to the location of one (which it will then copy into the data directory). You should be able to change this location through File->Preferences, or by editing the plist file (you can point this to an empty folder if you wish).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I can't remember where the default location of the data directory is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 17:04, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Deleted the application and the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>>>> Then downloaded again and read the manual once more. There it talks about the Data directory.
>>>>>>>>>> Where should I normally find this data directory? (which should contains your hard disc files, ROM image and rpc.cfg file)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or should I create that myself?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:32 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that won't help - you'll need to re-install from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:25, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now I am a bit confused.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I deleted the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>>>>>> How can I set the directory to DefaultDataDir?
>>>>>>>>>>>> And what data directory should I delete?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Besides the 'DefaultDataDir' there is also : 'English.lproj' folder and the follwoing documents : 'RPCEMU.icns' - 'hostfs,ffa' - 'hostfsfiler,ffa'
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:04 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Have you changed the data directory location? You can check where this is:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "OS X specific settings, such as the location of your RPCEmu data directory, are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist. If you have problems setting up RPCEmu and need to start again from scratch you can delete this file and your data directory."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If it is pointing towards the DefaultDataDir, then yes, the ROMS go into the roms sub-folder (you should have other sub-folders alongside roms).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:48, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I know, was hasitating to post the links, naughty me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I did put them in the roms folder, but still no starting up :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear where I have put them :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opened the 'package contents' of the RPCEmu.app
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> browsed to : contents/resources/DefaultDataDir/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and there was also a little 'roms.txt' file in it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 04:41 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, RISC OS 3.50+ is illegal to distribute freely (like any other commercial software package) and, hence, those links are probably breaking the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that said, the RISC OS 3.60 archives supplied will unzip to 4 1MB files which can be dropped into the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:09, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got them from : http://rolf.yuss.org/~aaront/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or from : http://www.4corn.co.uk/aview.php?sPath=/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 03:05 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have, typically, 4 ROMs of 1MB in size (this is based on my 3.7 install) - of course, it is entirely feasible (and accepted by RPCemu) to have this 4MB as 2x2MB or 1x4MB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get your RISC OS 3.6 ROMs from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 13:35, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just put the 3.6 version in the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again it crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I start the application I get the following message :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROM Image of unsupported size: expecting 2MB, 4MB, 6MB or 8MB, got 524288 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it quits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 10:49 AM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RISC OS 3.11 won't work with RPCemu, as it emulates a RiscPC and not an Archimedes. 3.6 should be OK - I have 4 different setups for 3.7, 4.39, 5.21 and 6.20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way will it not start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 09:19, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being curious as an Acorn BBC Master player, I wondered how a Archimedes would work on my Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found on http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu site a link of RPCEmu for mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I downloaded it and also downloaded the ROM images that are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked in the RPCEmu application and found the 'roms' folder and placed 4 rom images (3.11 or 3.6) hoping the emulator would start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunate it didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Monday, 22 September 2014
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
[snip]
> > Automatically select text in icons
>
> OFF
If you set it to 'on', any existing text in the icon will be selected,
ready to be overwritten by the pasted text.
> > Insert Delete selection
>
> Insert: Clear selection,
That will prevent the existing text being overwritten by the pasted
text. I think that it needs to be 'Delete'.
Tony
> On 22 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
[snip]
> > Automatically select text in icons
>
> OFF
If you set it to 'on', any existing text in the icon will be selected,
ready to be overwritten by the pasted text.
> > Insert Delete selection
>
> Insert: Clear selection,
That will prevent the existing text being overwritten by the pasted
text. I think that it needs to be 'Delete'.
Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
> [snip]
>>> What settings do you have on in the OS for cut and paste in writable
>>> icons?
>>
>> Where can I find those settings?
> In RO 6.20: Configure... > Windows > Windows > Text
Thanka.
> Enable text selection
ON
> Automatically select text in icons
OFF
> Insert Delete selection
Insert: Clear selection,
Delete: Delete selection,
Move: Clear selection
Richard
--
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Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> On 22 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
> [snip]
>>> What settings do you have on in the OS for cut and paste in writable
>>> icons?
>>
>> Where can I find those settings?
> In RO 6.20: Configure... > Windows > Windows > Text
Thanka.
> Enable text selection
ON
> Automatically select text in icons
OFF
> Insert Delete selection
Insert: Clear selection,
Delete: Delete selection,
Move: Clear selection
Richard
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
[snip]
> > What settings do you have on in the OS for cut and paste in writable
> > icons?
>
> Where can I find those settings?
In RO 6.20: Configure... > Windows > Windows > Text
Enable text selection
Automatically select text in icons
Insert Delete selection
Tony
> On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
[snip]
> > What settings do you have on in the OS for cut and paste in writable
> > icons?
>
> Where can I find those settings?
In RO 6.20: Configure... > Windows > Windows > Text
Enable text selection
Automatically select text in icons
Insert Delete selection
Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy? -- OT StrongEd branch
Richard Porter wrote on 22 Sep:
> I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
> block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to
> paste it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from
> another document. Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the
> selected URL twice! Well at least it did paste the URL but it's not
> surprising that I gave up on StrongEd.
I felt like you till I discovered how to change the "Mode" file within
StrongEd so that Ctrl-XCV work in the "standard" way that I'm used to
in other apps. (Can send you my amended file if you email me.)
Then I added StrongEd to the apps that load automatically every time I
boot the machine, in order to force myself to tackle the learning
curve, and I'm glad I did. The ascent turned out to be not that bad.
A few puzzles remain, such as a StrongEd keystroke to match Edit's
handy Ctrl-F6 to un-split lines.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
> I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
> block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to
> paste it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from
> another document. Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the
> selected URL twice! Well at least it did paste the URL but it's not
> surprising that I gave up on StrongEd.
I felt like you till I discovered how to change the "Mode" file within
StrongEd so that Ctrl-XCV work in the "standard" way that I'm used to
in other apps. (Can send you my amended file if you email me.)
Then I added StrongEd to the apps that load automatically every time I
boot the machine, in order to force myself to tackle the learning
curve, and I'm glad I did. The ascent turned out to be not that bad.
A few puzzles remain, such as a StrongEd keystroke to match Edit's
handy Ctrl-F6 to un-split lines.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
>> Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the selected URL twice!
That could have been because I copied the URL after duplicating it.
> In NetSurf? Is that repeatable? What settings do you have on in the OS for
> cut and paste in writable icons?
Where can I find those settings?
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
>> Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the selected URL twice!
That could have been because I copied the URL after duplicating it.
> In NetSurf? Is that repeatable? What settings do you have on in the OS for
> cut and paste in writable icons?
Where can I find those settings?
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Sunday, 21 September 2014
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 22 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
<4a10d84a54.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>:
> On 21 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
>
> > No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> > Clipboard.
>
> So in what way is that different fron Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V in Edit?
It isn't. In StrongED, Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V do the "old style" direct copy/move
that Edit used to do.
> > My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
> > doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
> > Protocol correctly.
>
> I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
> block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to paste
> it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from another
> document.
See above. You can re-map the keys so that Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V behave as Edit, but
the detail of how to do it is off-topic for this list.
> Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the selected URL twice!
In NetSurf? Is that repeatable? What settings do you have on in the OS for
cut and paste in writable icons?
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
<4a10d84a54.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>:
> On 21 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
>
> > No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> > Clipboard.
>
> So in what way is that different fron Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V in Edit?
It isn't. In StrongED, Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V do the "old style" direct copy/move
that Edit used to do.
> > My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
> > doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
> > Protocol correctly.
>
> I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
> block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to paste
> it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from another
> document.
See above. You can re-map the keys so that Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V behave as Edit, but
the detail of how to do it is off-topic for this list.
> Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the selected URL twice!
In NetSurf? Is that repeatable? What settings do you have on in the OS for
cut and paste in writable icons?
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014 Steve Fryatt wrote:
> No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> Clipboard.
So in what way is that different fron Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V in Edit?
> Thinking about it, I believe it's actually Edit's problem. It's certainly
> not NetSurf because if you're talking about the URL bar in a browser window,
> NetSurf relies on the OS (or something like IcnClipBrd) to handle cut and
> paste for it.
> When you do Ctrl-V in the field, whatever processes it (the OS on RISC OS
> Select; IcnClipBrd everywhere else) sends the clipboard owner (Edit) a list
> of types that it can handle in order of descending preference. For a
> writable icon, that will only be text. The owner should look down the list
> and pick the best type (or least worst) that it can support, generally
> flattening to plain text as a last resort if that option's available.
> My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
> doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
> Protocol correctly.
I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to
paste it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from
another document. Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the
selected URL twice! Well at least it did paste the URL but it's not
surprising that I gave up on StrongEd.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> Clipboard.
So in what way is that different fron Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V in Edit?
> Thinking about it, I believe it's actually Edit's problem. It's certainly
> not NetSurf because if you're talking about the URL bar in a browser window,
> NetSurf relies on the OS (or something like IcnClipBrd) to handle cut and
> paste for it.
> When you do Ctrl-V in the field, whatever processes it (the OS on RISC OS
> Select; IcnClipBrd everywhere else) sends the clipboard owner (Edit) a list
> of types that it can handle in order of descending preference. For a
> writable icon, that will only be text. The owner should look down the list
> and pick the best type (or least worst) that it can support, generally
> flattening to plain text as a last resort if that option's available.
> My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
> doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
> Protocol correctly.
I just can't get on with StrongEd. I type Ctrl-C and it duplicates the
block in situ or tells me no block is selected, then when I try to
paste it into NS I get some text I had saved some time before from
another document. Then I try Shift-Ctrl-C and -V, and I get the
selected URL twice! Well at least it did paste the URL but it's not
surprising that I gave up on StrongEd.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014, Steve Fryatt <lists@stevefryatt.org.uk> wrote:
> On 21 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
> <892ccc4a54.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>:
> > On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> > > On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> > > > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type
> > > > to the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept
> > > > plain text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This
> > > > restriction seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
> >
> > > As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from
> > > the clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are
> > > you using to view the NS HTML source?
> >
> > Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
> > StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
> > ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
> > assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
>
> No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> Clipboard.
According to the Quick Reference page in the StrongED StrongHelp manual:
cs-C Copy block to clipboard
cs-V Paste clipboard to text
I don't know whether 'to text' means 'to the cursor', or if it implies
conversion to text before pasting.
Tony
> On 21 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
> <892ccc4a54.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>:
> > On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> > > On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> > > > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type
> > > > to the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept
> > > > plain text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This
> > > > restriction seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
> >
> > > As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from
> > > the clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are
> > > you using to view the NS HTML source?
> >
> > Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
> > StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
> > ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
> > assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
>
> No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
> Clipboard.
According to the Quick Reference page in the StrongED StrongHelp manual:
cs-C Copy block to clipboard
cs-V Paste clipboard to text
I don't know whether 'to text' means 'to the cursor', or if it implies
conversion to text before pasting.
Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep, Richard Porter wrote in message
<892ccc4a54.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>:
> On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
>
> > On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> > > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
> > > the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
> > > text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
> > > seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
>
> > As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
> > clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
> > to view the NS HTML source?
>
> Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
> StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
> ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
> assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
Clipboard.
Thinking about it, I believe it's actually Edit's problem. It's certainly
not NetSurf because if you're talking about the URL bar in a browser window,
NetSurf relies on the OS (or something like IcnClipBrd) to handle cut and
paste for it.
When you do Ctrl-V in the field, whatever processes it (the OS on RISC OS
Select; IcnClipBrd everywhere else) sends the clipboard owner (Edit) a list
of types that it can handle in order of descending preference. For a
writable icon, that will only be text. The owner should look down the list
and pick the best type (or least worst) that it can support, generally
flattening to plain text as a last resort if that option's available.
My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
Protocol correctly.
--
Steve Fryatt - Leeds, England
http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
<892ccc4a54.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>:
> On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
>
> > On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> > > copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
> > > the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
> > > text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
> > > seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
>
> > As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
> > clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
> > to view the NS HTML source?
>
> Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
> StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
> ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
> assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
No, Ctrl-Shift-C and Ctrl-Shift-V just copy and paste on the Global
Clipboard.
Thinking about it, I believe it's actually Edit's problem. It's certainly
not NetSurf because if you're talking about the URL bar in a browser window,
NetSurf relies on the OS (or something like IcnClipBrd) to handle cut and
paste for it.
When you do Ctrl-V in the field, whatever processes it (the OS on RISC OS
Select; IcnClipBrd everywhere else) sends the clipboard owner (Edit) a list
of types that it can handle in order of descending preference. For a
writable icon, that will only be text. The owner should look down the list
and pick the best type (or least worst) that it can support, generally
flattening to plain text as a last resort if that option's available.
My guess is that StrongED does that properly. Edit, from what you say,
doesn't. It's broken, because it isn't supporting the Block Transfer
Protocol correctly.
--
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http://www.stevefryatt.org.uk/
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
>>> On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
>>>> won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
>>
>>> It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
>>> Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to
>>> copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL
>>> window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood
>>> the problem?
>>
>> The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
>> copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
>> the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
>> text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
>> seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
> As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
> clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
> to view the NS HTML source?
Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
--
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Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
>>> On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
>>>> won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
>>
>>> It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
>>> Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to
>>> copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL
>>> window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood
>>> the problem?
>>
>> The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
>> copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
>> the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
>> text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
>> seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
> As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
> clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
> to view the NS HTML source?
Edit by default. I don't normally use StrongEd. I had a look at the
StrongHelp for StrongEd and eventually found ctrl-shift-C and
ctrl-shift-V, but it doesn't give any explanation of what they do. I
assume it means copy/paste forcing type to text.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 21 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> > On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > > One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
> > > won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
>
> > It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
> > Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to
> > copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL
> > window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood
> > the problem?
>
> The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
> the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
> text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
> seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
to view the NS HTML source?
Tony
> On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> > On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>
> > > One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it
> > > won't let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
>
> > It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source.
> > Press f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to
> > copy it to the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL
> > window), press ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood
> > the problem?
>
> The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
> copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
> the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
> text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
> seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
As said above, here there is _no_ problem in pasting the URL from the
clipboard (RO 6.20, NS 2107, SE 4.69). Which application are you using
to view the NS HTML source?
Tony
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 20 Sep 2014 Tony Moore wrote:
> On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it won't
>> let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
> It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. Press
> f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to
> the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press
> ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem?
The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it won't
>> let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. ...
> It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. Press
> f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to
> the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press
> ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem?
The problem is that Copy saves the file type of the file you are
copying from to the clipboard, and Paste presents that file type to
the application you are pasting into. NetSurf doesn't accept plain
text pasted from a file that isn't type Text (fff). This restriction
seems to be as unnecessary as it is frustrating.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Saturday, 20 September 2014
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 19:27:28 +0100, Richard Porter wrote:
> I raised this as a feature request a long time ago.
We don't have a regularly active RISC OS frontend developer. Steve Fryatt does
what he can, but he's busy in his own right. If you, or someone you can poke,
is up for being a frontend developer then it'd be awesome to see some progress
on sorting out features like this.
D.
--
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> I raised this as a feature request a long time ago.
We don't have a regularly active RISC OS frontend developer. Steve Fryatt does
what he can, but he's busy in his own right. If you, or someone you can poke,
is up for being a frontend developer then it'd be awesome to see some progress
on sorting out features like this.
D.
--
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PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69
Re: Why is NetSurf so fussy?
On 20 Sep 2014, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it won't
> let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. This is
> something I regularly want to do when, for example, there's a bit of
> Javascript that redirects me to a different page. I have to view the
> source and then change the filetype to Text before copying the new URL
> to the clipboard. This shouldn't be necessary.
It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. Press
f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to
the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press
ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem?
Tony
> One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it won't
> let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. This is
> something I regularly want to do when, for example, there's a bit of
> Javascript that redirects me to a different page. I have to view the
> source and then change the filetype to Text before copying the new URL
> to the clipboard. This shouldn't be necessary.
It _isn't_ necessary, when using StongED to view the HTML source. Press
f8 to view the source, select the URL, press ctrl-shft-c to copy it to
the clipboard, click in the NS URL field (or Open URL window), press
ctrl-v to paste the URL. Perhaps I've misunderstood the problem?
Tony
Re: My wish: To have remote LogMeIn as is available in MS-DOS
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C
On 20 Sep 2014, at 17:48, Rob Kendrick <rjek@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 02:56:36PM +0100, Michael Bell wrote:I am not a very knowledgeable computer user and I rely fairly heavily
on my computer guru, who was a RISCOS enthusiast but who has defected
to MS-Dos for the usual reasons. I like RISCOS for reasons both good
and bad; I dislike the way MS-Dos is open to "help" more plainly
called "parasitism" but maybe any big pot attracts blowflies. I do a
lot of writing and I like the way Select and Adjust allow you to mark
the start, and separately the finish of a section of text. But my guru
wants to shift me over to MS-Dos because it would make his life
easier.
So, I would like a RISCOS equivalent of LogMeIn
I doubt you mean MS-DOS. What does LogMeIn do? Is it somehow related
to web browsers and NetSurf?
B.
Why is NetSurf so fussy?
One really annoying feature of NetSurf (RO front end) is that it won't
let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. This is
something I regularly want to do when, for example, there's a bit of
Javascript that redirects me to a different page. I have to view the
source and then change the filetype to Text before copying the new URL
to the clipboard. This shouldn't be necessary. I should be able to
past plain text copied from any file type (could be html, css, csv,
ImpDoc, MSWord, etc.) into the URL field or "Open URL" window. I think
I raised this as a feature request a long time ago.
--
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Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
let you paste text from an html file into the URL field. This is
something I regularly want to do when, for example, there's a bit of
Javascript that redirects me to a different page. I have to view the
source and then change the filetype to Text before copying the new URL
to the clipboard. This shouldn't be necessary. I should be able to
past plain text copied from any file type (could be html, css, csv,
ImpDoc, MSWord, etc.) into the URL field or "Open URL" window. I think
I raised this as a feature request a long time ago.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file
In article <9da9214a54.jim@abbeypress.net>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Which OS are you using, Vesa?
Dunno about the kit you are using Jim, but with Pluto, we can examine the
header of the posting and tell... ;-)
That said, I do know about the kit you are using...
Here's what you are using... Messenger-Pro/7.06-wpb4 (MsgServe/7.06S)
(RISC-OS/5.18)
Vesa is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0
We don't even need to examine the header, We can configure the Setups file
to automatically show the relevant header data.
Not being a user of RO MessPro I have no idea if it has any similar
configs.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Which OS are you using, Vesa?
Dunno about the kit you are using Jim, but with Pluto, we can examine the
header of the posting and tell... ;-)
That said, I do know about the kit you are using...
Here's what you are using... Messenger-Pro/7.06-wpb4 (MsgServe/7.06S)
(RISC-OS/5.18)
Vesa is: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64;
rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.0
We don't even need to examine the header, We can configure the Setups file
to automatically show the relevant header data.
Not being a user of RO MessPro I have no idea if it has any similar
configs.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Re: My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file
Vesa Paatero wrote on 20 Sep:
> ... And in case someone is still curious, my platform is Linux. :-)
That *is* relevant, because saving, etc, is handled by the frontend,
which is tailored for the various platforms that Netsurf runs on.
--
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|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
> ... And in case someone is still curious, my platform is Linux. :-)
That *is* relevant, because saving, etc, is handled by the frontend,
which is tailored for the various platforms that Netsurf runs on.
--
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|| See you at the show? www.riscoslondonshow.co.uk Oct 25
Re: My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file
Oh yes, by viewing page source and then saving. Thanks for the hint!
Yeah, no changes needed. And in case someone is still curious, my
platform is Linux. :-)
Vesa
20.09.2014, 16:20, Richard Torrens (lists) kirjoitti:
> In article <541D749F.2040805@fastmail.fm>,
> Vesa Paatero <vpaatero@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save just
>> the HTML file of a web page with link references intact. Currently,
>> Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML file with links
>> changed to point to the associated files saved into a directory
>> automatically created for them. I imagine it would be relatively easy to
>> enable saving just the HTML page, yet it currently can't be done ... or
>> if it can be done, please let me know.
>> Thanks for considering it!
>> Vesa
> Very easy to do:
>
> f8 edit the html in StrongED of whatever editor you use.
> f3 in StrongED: save the page.
>
> I don't think anything needs to be done in NS!
>
Yeah, no changes needed. And in case someone is still curious, my
platform is Linux. :-)
Vesa
20.09.2014, 16:20, Richard Torrens (lists) kirjoitti:
> In article <541D749F.2040805@fastmail.fm>,
> Vesa Paatero <vpaatero@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save just
>> the HTML file of a web page with link references intact. Currently,
>> Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML file with links
>> changed to point to the associated files saved into a directory
>> automatically created for them. I imagine it would be relatively easy to
>> enable saving just the HTML page, yet it currently can't be done ... or
>> if it can be done, please let me know.
>> Thanks for considering it!
>> Vesa
> Very easy to do:
>
> f8 edit the html in StrongED of whatever editor you use.
> f3 in StrongED: save the page.
>
> I don't think anything needs to be done in NS!
>
Re: My wish: To have remote LogMeIn as is available in MS-DOS
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 02:56:36PM +0100, Michael Bell wrote:
> I am not a very knowledgeable computer user and I rely fairly heavily
> on my computer guru, who was a RISCOS enthusiast but who has defected
> to MS-Dos for the usual reasons. I like RISCOS for reasons both good
> and bad; I dislike the way MS-Dos is open to "help" more plainly
> called "parasitism" but maybe any big pot attracts blowflies. I do a
> lot of writing and I like the way Select and Adjust allow you to mark
> the start, and separately the finish of a section of text. But my guru
> wants to shift me over to MS-Dos because it would make his life
> easier.
>
> So, I would like a RISCOS equivalent of LogMeIn
I doubt you mean MS-DOS. What does LogMeIn do? Is it somehow related
to web browsers and NetSurf?
B.
> I am not a very knowledgeable computer user and I rely fairly heavily
> on my computer guru, who was a RISCOS enthusiast but who has defected
> to MS-Dos for the usual reasons. I like RISCOS for reasons both good
> and bad; I dislike the way MS-Dos is open to "help" more plainly
> called "parasitism" but maybe any big pot attracts blowflies. I do a
> lot of writing and I like the way Select and Adjust allow you to mark
> the start, and separately the finish of a section of text. But my guru
> wants to shift me over to MS-Dos because it would make his life
> easier.
>
> So, I would like a RISCOS equivalent of LogMeIn
I doubt you mean MS-DOS. What does LogMeIn do? Is it somehow related
to web browsers and NetSurf?
B.
My wish: To have remote LogMeIn as is available in MS-DOS
I am not a very knowledgeable computer user and I rely fairly heavily
on my computer guru, who was a RISCOS enthusiast but who has defected
to MS-Dos for the usual reasons. I like RISCOS for reasons both good
and bad; I dislike the way MS-Dos is open to "help" more plainly
called "parasitism" but maybe any big pot attracts blowflies. I do a
lot of writing and I like the way Select and Adjust allow you to mark
the start, and separately the finish of a section of text. But my guru
wants to shift me over to MS-Dos because it would make his life
easier.
So, I would like a RISCOS equivalent of LogMeIn
Michael Bell
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on my computer guru, who was a RISCOS enthusiast but who has defected
to MS-Dos for the usual reasons. I like RISCOS for reasons both good
and bad; I dislike the way MS-Dos is open to "help" more plainly
called "parasitism" but maybe any big pot attracts blowflies. I do a
lot of writing and I like the way Select and Adjust allow you to mark
the start, and separately the finish of a section of text. But my guru
wants to shift me over to MS-Dos because it would make his life
easier.
So, I would like a RISCOS equivalent of LogMeIn
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Re: My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file
On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 03:35:43PM +0300, Vesa Paatero wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save
> just the HTML file of a web page with link references intact.
> Currently, Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML
> file with links changed to point to the associated files saved into
> a directory automatically created for them. I imagine it would be
> relatively easy to enable saving just the HTML page, yet it
> currently can't be done ... or if it can be done, please let me
> know.
You did not specify which toolkit you are using.
In RISCOS you can just use the menu or F3 to save the page
source.
With GTK you simply have to use Tools->Developer->Page Source (Ctrl+U)
and then save the file from there.
Other frontends depend upon their native implementations and I do not
know the specifics.
Perhaps we need to take a look at the user guide again it does seem to
be a little out of date in places.
>
> Thanks for considering it!
>
> Vesa
>
>
--
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http://www.kyllikki.org/
> Hi,
>
> My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save
> just the HTML file of a web page with link references intact.
> Currently, Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML
> file with links changed to point to the associated files saved into
> a directory automatically created for them. I imagine it would be
> relatively easy to enable saving just the HTML page, yet it
> currently can't be done ... or if it can be done, please let me
> know.
You did not specify which toolkit you are using.
In RISCOS you can just use the menu or F3 to save the page
source.
With GTK you simply have to use Tools->Developer->Page Source (Ctrl+U)
and then save the file from there.
Other frontends depend upon their native implementations and I do not
know the specifics.
Perhaps we need to take a look at the user guide again it does seem to
be a little out of date in places.
>
> Thanks for considering it!
>
> Vesa
>
>
--
Regards Vincent
http://www.kyllikki.org/
Re: My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file
In article <541D749F.2040805@fastmail.fm>,
Vesa Paatero <vpaatero@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Hi,
> My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save just
> the HTML file of a web page with link references intact. Currently,
> Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML file with links
> changed to point to the associated files saved into a directory
> automatically created for them. I imagine it would be relatively easy to
> enable saving just the HTML page, yet it currently can't be done ... or
> if it can be done, please let me know.
> Thanks for considering it!
> Vesa
Very easy to do:
f8 edit the html in StrongED of whatever editor you use.
f3 in StrongED: save the page.
I don't think anything needs to be done in NS!
--
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http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!
Vesa Paatero <vpaatero@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> Hi,
> My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save just
> the HTML file of a web page with link references intact. Currently,
> Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML file with links
> changed to point to the associated files saved into a directory
> automatically created for them. I imagine it would be relatively easy to
> enable saving just the HTML page, yet it currently can't be done ... or
> if it can be done, please let me know.
> Thanks for considering it!
> Vesa
Very easy to do:
f8 edit the html in StrongED of whatever editor you use.
f3 in StrongED: save the page.
I don't think anything needs to be done in NS!
--
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!
My wish: To be able to save just the HTML file
Hi,
My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save just
the HTML file of a web page with link references intact. Currently,
Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML file with links
changed to point to the associated files saved into a directory
automatically created for them. I imagine it would be relatively easy to
enable saving just the HTML page, yet it currently can't be done ... or
if it can be done, please let me know.
Thanks for considering it!
Vesa
My wish for Netsurf developers is a simple one: To be able to save just
the HTML file of a web page with link references intact. Currently,
Netsurf always saves the whole web page, i.e. the HTML file with links
changed to point to the associated files saved into a directory
automatically created for them. I imagine it would be relatively easy to
enable saving just the HTML page, yet it currently can't be done ... or
if it can be done, please let me know.
Thanks for considering it!
Vesa
Wednesday, 17 September 2014
Re: Paypal - workround
HI again all
Further to previous email, I've found a temporary work around -- type
in (or select from the hotlist)
http://www.paypal.com/myaccount/#home
after logging in and reaching the screen which no longer has the
links.
Would be nice to know chaps if there can be a fix in the next release
of Netsurf...........?
thanks
Chris
In message <ba89134854.cris@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com>
Cristopher Dewhurst <cdewhurst2010@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> There used to be an intermediate screen when logging into Paypal which
> had the "One Moment" or "Please Wait" messages; on Netsurf this would
> be forever but there was a series of links below the message which you
> could click on to go to your account etc. which did work.
> Just tried to log in to Paypal and the "One Moment" message is the
> same but the links appear to have gone.
> This is with JS disabled (JS enabled gives a blank white page)
> If there a workround in Netsurf / possibility of tweaking Netsurf to
> work?
> NS 3.3 (Dev Cl#2112)
> RISC OS Pi 5.21
--
Chris
Further to previous email, I've found a temporary work around -- type
in (or select from the hotlist)
http://www.paypal.com/myaccount/#home
after logging in and reaching the screen which no longer has the
links.
Would be nice to know chaps if there can be a fix in the next release
of Netsurf...........?
thanks
Chris
In message <ba89134854.cris@cdewhurst2010.btinternet.com>
Cristopher Dewhurst <cdewhurst2010@btinternet.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> There used to be an intermediate screen when logging into Paypal which
> had the "One Moment" or "Please Wait" messages; on Netsurf this would
> be forever but there was a series of links below the message which you
> could click on to go to your account etc. which did work.
> Just tried to log in to Paypal and the "One Moment" message is the
> same but the links appear to have gone.
> This is with JS disabled (JS enabled gives a blank white page)
> If there a workround in Netsurf / possibility of tweaking Netsurf to
> work?
> NS 3.3 (Dev Cl#2112)
> RISC OS Pi 5.21
--
Chris
Tuesday, 16 September 2014
Paypal
Hi,
There used to be an intermediate screen when logging into Paypal which
had the "One Moment" or "Please Wait" messages; on Netsurf this would
be forever but there was a series of links below the message which you
could click on to go to your account etc. which did work.
Just tried to log in to Paypal and the "One Moment" message is the
same but the links appear to have gone.
This is with JS disabled (JS enabled gives a blank white page)
If there a workround in Netsurf / possibility of tweaking Netsurf to
work?
NS 3.3 (Dev Cl#2112)
RISC OS Pi 5.21
--
Chris
There used to be an intermediate screen when logging into Paypal which
had the "One Moment" or "Please Wait" messages; on Netsurf this would
be forever but there was a series of links below the message which you
could click on to go to your account etc. which did work.
Just tried to log in to Paypal and the "One Moment" message is the
same but the links appear to have gone.
This is with JS disabled (JS enabled gives a blank white page)
If there a workround in Netsurf / possibility of tweaking Netsurf to
work?
NS 3.3 (Dev Cl#2112)
RISC OS Pi 5.21
--
Chris
Re: dropzone on a web page
In article <f6de2a4654.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>, Dave Higton
<dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <6ef3fd4554.jim@abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel
> <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> >Is this a new ability that has come along with Netsurf 3.2? Yaaay.
> I have no idea whether the functionality is the same, but Netsurf has
> worked with the W3C Validation Service http://validator.w3.org/ for
> years. I have always dragged my HTML to the "Validate by File Upload"
> box.
That uses <input type="file"...>, part of a <form...> so not reliant on
Javascript. And yes, seems to have been supported for ages and still
works with w3c as you describe although I use PHP so often, I tend to use
the URL method these days pointing at my server (a Pi) and the local copy
of the site.
--
www.timil.com
web sites * multimedia * training
<dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
> In message <6ef3fd4554.jim@abbeypress.net> Jim Nagel
> <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> >Is this a new ability that has come along with Netsurf 3.2? Yaaay.
> I have no idea whether the functionality is the same, but Netsurf has
> worked with the W3C Validation Service http://validator.w3.org/ for
> years. I have always dragged my HTML to the "Validate by File Upload"
> box.
That uses <input type="file"...>, part of a <form...> so not reliant on
Javascript. And yes, seems to have been supported for ages and still
works with w3c as you describe although I use PHP so often, I tend to use
the URL method these days pointing at my server (a Pi) and the local copy
of the site.
--
www.timil.com
web sites * multimedia * training
Monday, 15 September 2014
Re: [Rpcemu] RPCEmu on Mac
Ok, I'll have a look at these pages.
Is it true that RPCEmu works best in ARM7500 mode?
And when I startup the Emu it gives an error message that an application
has gone wrong. Is that because of no boot disc?
And when I press the continue button and select the drive 4 or drive 0
(even when inserted a disc) it gives an error 'Number not recognised'?
Cheers
Koen
--
On 15-09-14 09:55 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
> First thing I would do, would be to set up a working RiscPC, with the basic !Boot (I've stuck mine in HostFS). The boot sequence can be downloaded from various places - I would start looking: RPCemu site, www.riscosopen.org (where you can also find RISC OS 5), and www.riscos.com.
>
> To get the data from your old hard disc images, I'd fire up Arculator and extract the contents out (can't remember how to with Arculator - and I can't find a good Mac OS version).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerald.
>
> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
> www.hollypops.co.uk
>
>
> On 15 Sep 2014, at 20:34, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>
>> Ok, next problem comes up.
>> Not easy to set the Emu up.
>> I have an 'hd4.hdf' and 'hd5.hdf' from an old arculator, so I copied them on the place where RPCEmu wants them (there is some example hd4 file)
>> And booted the RPCEmu. But the screen stays blue.
>> (thought Windows had a blue screen patent???)
>>
>> Why doen't it take my hd4 drive?
>> I have also a disc called RiscOS3.adl but also this one does not want to boot.
>>
>> any suggestions?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Koen
>>
>> --
>>
>> On 15-09-14 08:51 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>> Yeah, I found that when I was trying to simulate running it for the first time - it seemed to 'remember' the settings from somewhere else. I wonder if it's used a similar plist file in the System/Library/Preferences folder...
>>>
>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:45, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh I just realized that I did not reply to the mailing list...
>>>> Ooops.
>>>>
>>>> Now a strange thing has happened. Since I removed th plist file, it is gone forever????
>>>> It's not in the library folder anymore....
>>>>
>>>> Ok point to get mad....
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Koen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On 15-09-14 08:25 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>> Annoyingly, none of my replies has gone to the rpcemu mailing list - they all bounced back as undeliverable...not sure why. But, I'll try again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anywho, what does it say in the plist file? i.e. where does it think that the data directory is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:17, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well something is defenetly going wrong.
>>>>>> because it doesn't absk me to point the rom files.
>>>>>> Should I contact Francis Devereux?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15-09-14 07:46 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> When you run the application for the first time, it will attempt to create one. If it can't find any ROM files in the rom directory, it should say that no ROM image is found, and ask you to point to the location of one (which it will then copy into the data directory). You should be able to change this location through File->Preferences, or by editing the plist file (you can point this to an empty folder if you wish).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't remember where the default location of the data directory is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 17:04, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deleted the application and the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>> Then downloaded again and read the manual once more. There it talks about the Data directory.
>>>>>>>> Where should I normally find this data directory? (which should contains your hard disc files, ROM image and rpc.cfg file)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or should I create that myself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:32 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that won't help - you'll need to re-install from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:25, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>>>>>>> Now I am a bit confused.
>>>>>>>>>> I deleted the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>>>> How can I set the directory to DefaultDataDir?
>>>>>>>>>> And what data directory should I delete?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Besides the 'DefaultDataDir' there is also : 'English.lproj' folder and the follwoing documents : 'RPCEMU.icns' - 'hostfs,ffa' - 'hostfsfiler,ffa'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:04 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you changed the data directory location? You can check where this is:
>>>>>>>>>>> "OS X specific settings, such as the location of your RPCEmu data directory, are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist. If you have problems setting up RPCEmu and need to start again from scratch you can delete this file and your data directory."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If it is pointing towards the DefaultDataDir, then yes, the ROMS go into the roms sub-folder (you should have other sub-folders alongside roms).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:48, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I know, was hasitating to post the links, naughty me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I did put them in the roms folder, but still no starting up :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear where I have put them :
>>>>>>>>>>>> opened the 'package contents' of the RPCEmu.app
>>>>>>>>>>>> browsed to : contents/resources/DefaultDataDir/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>> and there was also a little 'roms.txt' file in it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 04:41 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, RISC OS 3.50+ is illegal to distribute freely (like any other commercial software package) and, hence, those links are probably breaking the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that said, the RISC OS 3.60 archives supplied will unzip to 4 1MB files which can be dropped into the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:09, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got them from : http://rolf.yuss.org/~aaront/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or from : http://www.4corn.co.uk/aview.php?sPath=/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 03:05 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have, typically, 4 ROMs of 1MB in size (this is based on my 3.7 install) - of course, it is entirely feasible (and accepted by RPCemu) to have this 4MB as 2x2MB or 1x4MB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get your RISC OS 3.6 ROMs from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 13:35, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just put the 3.6 version in the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again it crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I start the application I get the following message :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROM Image of unsupported size: expecting 2MB, 4MB, 6MB or 8MB, got 524288 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it quits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 10:49 AM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RISC OS 3.11 won't work with RPCemu, as it emulates a RiscPC and not an Archimedes. 3.6 should be OK - I have 4 different setups for 3.7, 4.39, 5.21 and 6.20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way will it not start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 09:19, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being curious as an Acorn BBC Master player, I wondered how a Archimedes would work on my Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found on http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu site a link of RPCEmu for mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I downloaded it and also downloaded the ROM images that are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked in the RPCEmu application and found the 'roms' folder and placed 4 rom images (3.11 or 3.6) hoping the emulator would start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunate it didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rpcemu mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rpcemu@riscos.info
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.riscos.info/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/rpcemu
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
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Is it true that RPCEmu works best in ARM7500 mode?
And when I startup the Emu it gives an error message that an application
has gone wrong. Is that because of no boot disc?
And when I press the continue button and select the drive 4 or drive 0
(even when inserted a disc) it gives an error 'Number not recognised'?
Cheers
Koen
--
On 15-09-14 09:55 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
> First thing I would do, would be to set up a working RiscPC, with the basic !Boot (I've stuck mine in HostFS). The boot sequence can be downloaded from various places - I would start looking: RPCemu site, www.riscosopen.org (where you can also find RISC OS 5), and www.riscos.com.
>
> To get the data from your old hard disc images, I'd fire up Arculator and extract the contents out (can't remember how to with Arculator - and I can't find a good Mac OS version).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gerald.
>
> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
> www.hollypops.co.uk
>
>
> On 15 Sep 2014, at 20:34, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>
>> Ok, next problem comes up.
>> Not easy to set the Emu up.
>> I have an 'hd4.hdf' and 'hd5.hdf' from an old arculator, so I copied them on the place where RPCEmu wants them (there is some example hd4 file)
>> And booted the RPCEmu. But the screen stays blue.
>> (thought Windows had a blue screen patent???)
>>
>> Why doen't it take my hd4 drive?
>> I have also a disc called RiscOS3.adl but also this one does not want to boot.
>>
>> any suggestions?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Koen
>>
>> --
>>
>> On 15-09-14 08:51 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>> Yeah, I found that when I was trying to simulate running it for the first time - it seemed to 'remember' the settings from somewhere else. I wonder if it's used a similar plist file in the System/Library/Preferences folder...
>>>
>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:45, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Oh I just realized that I did not reply to the mailing list...
>>>> Ooops.
>>>>
>>>> Now a strange thing has happened. Since I removed th plist file, it is gone forever????
>>>> It's not in the library folder anymore....
>>>>
>>>> Ok point to get mad....
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Koen
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> On 15-09-14 08:25 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>> Annoyingly, none of my replies has gone to the rpcemu mailing list - they all bounced back as undeliverable...not sure why. But, I'll try again.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anywho, what does it say in the plist file? i.e. where does it think that the data directory is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>
>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 19:17, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well something is defenetly going wrong.
>>>>>> because it doesn't absk me to point the rom files.
>>>>>> Should I contact Francis Devereux?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 15-09-14 07:46 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>> When you run the application for the first time, it will attempt to create one. If it can't find any ROM files in the rom directory, it should say that no ROM image is found, and ask you to point to the location of one (which it will then copy into the data directory). You should be able to change this location through File->Preferences, or by editing the plist file (you can point this to an empty folder if you wish).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can't remember where the default location of the data directory is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 17:04, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Deleted the application and the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>> Then downloaded again and read the manual once more. There it talks about the Data directory.
>>>>>>>> Where should I normally find this data directory? (which should contains your hard disc files, ROM image and rpc.cfg file)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or should I create that myself?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:32 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, that won't help - you'll need to re-install from scratch.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 16:25, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hmmm,
>>>>>>>>>> Now I am a bit confused.
>>>>>>>>>> I deleted the 'org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist'
>>>>>>>>>> How can I set the directory to DefaultDataDir?
>>>>>>>>>> And what data directory should I delete?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Besides the 'DefaultDataDir' there is also : 'English.lproj' folder and the follwoing documents : 'RPCEMU.icns' - 'hostfs,ffa' - 'hostfsfiler,ffa'
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 05:04 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Have you changed the data directory location? You can check where this is:
>>>>>>>>>>> "OS X specific settings, such as the location of your RPCEmu data directory, are stored in ~/Library/Preferences/org.devrx.RPCEmu.plist. If you have problems setting up RPCEmu and need to start again from scratch you can delete this file and your data directory."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If it is pointing towards the DefaultDataDir, then yes, the ROMS go into the roms sub-folder (you should have other sub-folders alongside roms).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:48, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I know, was hasitating to post the links, naughty me.
>>>>>>>>>>>> But I did put them in the roms folder, but still no starting up :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To be clear where I have put them :
>>>>>>>>>>>> opened the 'package contents' of the RPCEmu.app
>>>>>>>>>>>> browsed to : contents/resources/DefaultDataDir/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>> and there was also a little 'roms.txt' file in it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 04:41 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, RISC OS 3.50+ is illegal to distribute freely (like any other commercial software package) and, hence, those links are probably breaking the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, that said, the RISC OS 3.60 archives supplied will unzip to 4 1MB files which can be dropped into the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 15:09, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Got them from : http://rolf.yuss.org/~aaront/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or from : http://www.4corn.co.uk/aview.php?sPath=/roms
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 03:05 PM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Koen,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You should have, typically, 4 ROMs of 1MB in size (this is based on my 3.7 install) - of course, it is entirely feasible (and accepted by RPCemu) to have this 4MB as 2x2MB or 1x4MB.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Where did you get your RISC OS 3.6 ROMs from?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 13:35, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Gerald,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just put the 3.6 version in the roms folder.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And again it crashes.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I start the application I get the following message :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROM Image of unsupported size: expecting 2MB, 4MB, 6MB or 8MB, got 524288 bytes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And then it quits.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15-09-14 10:49 AM, Gerald Holdsworth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RISC OS 3.11 won't work with RPCemu, as it emulates a RiscPC and not an Archimedes. 3.6 should be OK - I have 4 different setups for 3.7, 4.39, 5.21 and 6.20.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In what way will it not start?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gerald.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the MacBook Air of Gerald Holdsworth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.geraldholdsworth.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> www.hollypops.co.uk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 15 Sep 2014, at 09:19, Koen <koen@pibox.nl> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Being curious as an Acorn BBC Master player, I wondered how a Archimedes would work on my Mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found on http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu site a link of RPCEmu for mac.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I downloaded it and also downloaded the ROM images that are needed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I looked in the RPCEmu application and found the 'roms' folder and placed 4 rom images (3.11 or 3.6) hoping the emulator would start.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unfortunate it didn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Koen
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