Wednesday, 31 October 2012

libcss: go through a list of styles

Hi!
I'm new to libcss and would like to ask for your help.

I'm creating an app (cocoa) that will render an html page in a view. The html-file has a corresponding css-file which looks like this:

body
{
 padding: 3%;
 text-align: justify;
 font-family: "MinionPro";
}


@font-face {
 font-family: "MinionPro";
 font-weight: normal;
 font-style: normal;
 src: url('../font/MinionPro-Regular.otf');
 }

.noindent
{       
        margin-left: 13.5%;
        margin-right: 5%;
        text-indent: 0%;
        margin-top: 0%;
        margin-bottom: 0%;
  font-size: 100%;
        text-align: justify;
}

.line
{       
        margin-left: 5%;
        margin-right: 5%;
        text-indent: 0%;
        margin-top: 0%;
        border: solid 4px;
        color: #B3B3B3;
        margin-bottom: 10%;
  font-size: 100%;
        text-align: justify;
}

What I would like to do, is go through a list of styles and store the information in my own data structure (NSDictionary) for easy lookup (since I'm using cocoa anyway).
I searched the headers and the net but found no way to go through a list (linked list, whatever) to get the properties off all styles, one after one, without knowing their names.
Is there such a way? Or do I have to parse the html, get the names and then look everything up via css_select? 

In advance, thank you for your help.

Ruediger Rill

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 31 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]

> I favour the 'ain't bust, don't need fixing' approach to upgrades, but
> in this case, of course, it (Photodesk) is bust. If I could be sure
> that upgrading to 5.19 would persuade it to work, I would do it. I
> understand also that 5.19 offers benefits over preceding 5.xx versions
> such as networking and internet (but not HD4 support)?

I can confirm that RPCEmu089/519 offers networking and internet. As you
say, it does not support IDE HD4 but, for me, that is not an issue since
HostFS works perfectly well, in its stead.

To try 5.19, at zero risk, I would suggest that you make a backup copy
of the entire RPCEmu folder, in Program Files. If the 5.19 upgrade is
successful, well and good. If the 5.19 upgrade fails, you can revert to
the backup. Nothing to lose!

Tony




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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <85db56e752.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 31 Oct 2012, Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 30 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> > Any guidance on how to do the 5.17>5.19 upgrade would be
>> > appreciated

[snip]

>
> Out of interest, I've just upgraded my RPCEmu089/519 installation from
> the 16-Jul-12 ROM image, to the current one, 29-Oct-12. After replacing
> the ROM image, I re-booted and found that the screen configuration no
> longer worked (the config application could see the MDF, but would not
> save the settings). This persuaded me to install the boot sequence from
> the current HardDisc4 download, and then copy over the choices folders
> and several files, as needed, from the old boot. It was necessary to re-
> configure the internet connection. All's well that ends well, but I
> wouldn't like to do it every day!

Nor me. I favour the 'ain't bust, don't need fixing' approach to
upgrades, but in this case, of course, it (Photodesk) is bust. If I
could be sure that upgrading to 5.19 would persuade it to work, I
would do it. I understand also that 5.19 offers benefits over
preceding 5.xx versions such as networking and internet (but not HD4
support)?

George
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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 31 Oct 2012, Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > Any guidance on how to do the 5.17>5.19 upgrade would be
> > appreciated: it's a year since I did the first install from scratch,
> > which was from the then-current ROOL Emulator stick, so was fairly
> > straightforward (AFAICR). I presume there's more to it than simply
> > replacing the 517 ROM with a 519 ROM in the Roms folder....
>
> Ideally, the boot sequence should be upgraded with each change of ROM
> image, but that can be rather tedious, and not always necessary - it
> depends on what the new ROM image expects to find.

Out of interest, I've just upgraded my RPCEmu089/519 installation from
the 16-Jul-12 ROM image, to the current one, 29-Oct-12. After replacing
the ROM image, I re-booted and found that the screen configuration no
longer worked (the config application could see the MDF, but would not
save the settings). This persuaded me to install the boot sequence from
the current HardDisc4 download, and then copy over the choices folders
and several files, as needed, from the old boot. It was necessary to re-
configure the internet connection. All's well that ends well, but I
wouldn't like to do it every day!

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 30 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]

> Any guidance on how to do the 5.17>5.19 upgrade would be appreciated:
> it's a year since I did the first install from scratch, which was from
> the then-current ROOL Emulator stick, so was fairly straightforward
> (AFAICR). I presume there's more to it than simply replacing the 517
> ROM with a 519 ROM in the Roms folder....

Ideally, the boot sequence should be upgraded with each change of ROM
image, but that can be rather tedious, and not always necessary - it
depends on what the new ROM image expects to find. I'd suggest first
replace the ROM image, and see what happens. If there are boot errors,
or if some config options no longer work, you may need to upgrade the
boot sequence, as well.

Tony




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Tuesday, 30 October 2012

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 30 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]

> Any guidance on how to do the 5.17>5.19 upgrade would be appreciated:
> it's a year since I did the first install from scratch, which was from
> the then-current ROOL Emulator stick, so was fairly straightforward
> (AFAICR). I presume there's more to it than simply replacing the 517
> ROM with a 519 ROM in the Roms folder....

As a first step, I would try just that. If it produces boot errors then
you may need to upgrade the boot sequence, to match.

Tony





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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <f25ee1e552.George@tiscali..co.uk> you wrote:

> In message <9b43d3e552.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 27 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> ,,, upgrading to 089/517 might fix the problem.
>>
>> Or even 089/519. What's special about 517?
>>
>
> Nothing - but when testing, it's best to change only one thing at a
> time :-)
>
> George
>
>
Well, having installed a clean RPCEmu089 and copied across the ROM and
HostFS contents from the 088/517 installation, I reinstalled and
retested !Photodesk - same error as before! So there's something about
5.17 that it doesn't like. So my next step will be to upgrade to 5.19
and test that.

Any guidance on how to do the 5.17>5.19 upgrade would be appreciated:
it's a year since I did the first install from scratch, which was from
the then-current ROOL Emulator stick, so was fairly straightforward
(AFAICR). I presume there's more to it than simply replacing the 517
ROM with a 519 ROM in the Roms folder....

George

PS: on the bright side, the Romark stats for 089/517 are slightly
faster than 088/517 across the board!
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Monday, 29 October 2012

Re: NetSurf developer weekend

On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:08:18 +0000, Vincent Sanders wrote:

> Last call for anyone else who wishes to attend! Very small turnout
> this time otherwise.

I'm busy that weekend, but have fun!

Is there any chance of "cloning of contents" being looked at?
Printing/PDF export is quite a major thing to be missing from NetSurf.
Shall I add it to the developer weekend wiki page?

Chris

Re: NetSurf developer weekend

Last call for anyone else who wishes to attend! Very small turnout
this time otherwise.

On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 03:31:32PM +0100, Vincent Sanders wrote:
> The next NetSurf Developer weekend will be taking place between 2nd
> and 4th November in Cambridge, UK.
>
> The rough plan is to arrive in Cambridge on Friday afternoon/evening
> meet at the venue possibly have a social meetup. Return to the meeting
> rooms on Saturday and Sunday and work on NetSurf with food and snack
> breaks as required.
>
> Collabora are going to sponsor the event by providing access to their
> conference rooms.
>
> The address of the location is:
>
> Kett House
> Station Rd
> Cambridge CB1 2JH
> United Kingdom
>
> Google maps ref http://goo.gl/maps/F1CG and the location is very close
> to the railway station.
>
> For building security purposes all physical attendees *must* register
> (send me an email at least a week before the event) with Name, email
> and contact details.
>
> Already Registered are:
>
> John-Mark Bell
> Daniel Silverstone
> Rob Kendrick
> Vincent Sanders
>

Michael Drake will not be attending on this occasion.


> Assistance with accommodation is available and I have a vehicle for
> collecting and dropping people off from wherever they are
> staying. There are a limited number of parking spaces available at
> Kett house if necessary.
>
> If you would like to join us for what is usually a very productive and
> enjoyable weekend please let me know as soon as you can.
>
> --
> Regards Vincent



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Sunday, 28 October 2012

Re: Text box edit

On Sun, 28 October, 2012 12:45 pm, Dave Lawton wrote:
>
Snip
> Iyonix 5.16, NetSurf 2.9
> When I tried to do some internet banking I initially had this error :-
> "error setting certificate verify locations"
>
> The solution to which was very kindly pointed out by Martin Bazley on
> 25 Sep in the 'can't get to ROOL site' thread.
>
> Having sorted this, I then logged on to both the Cooperative & Halifax
> sites. These two use scripting if the browser has it available.
>
> These sites used to complain at the lack of Javascript in NetSurf, but
> do so no longer.
>
> Although I didn't actually process any transactions (I've none to do
> ATM), I could not find any lack of functionality, though the layout
> was slightly different to that rendered by Firefox.
>
> I'll report back further when I've actually done some payments.
>

Payments completed successfully.

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <9b43d3e552.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 27 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> ,,, upgrading to 089/517 might fix the problem.
>
> Or even 089/519. What's special about 517?
>

Nothing - but when testing, it's best to change only one thing at a
time :-)

George


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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 27 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]

> ,,, upgrading to 089/517 might fix the problem.

Or even 089/519. What's special about 517?

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Re: Text box edit

On Sun, 28 October, 2012 1:13 pm, Martin Bazley wrote:
> The following bytes were arranged on 28 Oct 2012 by Dave Lawton:
>
> Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org
>
> Would you mind explaining why you had this line in your email header?
>
Oh Crap,
I only use one address for mailing lists, and adjust the Reply-To: to
suit before replying/composing.
This should make sure that it isn't necessary to change the To: field
when replying.

I forgot (hangs head in shame).

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Re: Text box edit

In message <40657.87.115.161.96.1351428330.squirrel@webmail2.orpheusne
t.co.uk>
"Dave Lawton" <lists@etcsystems.co.uk> wrote:

> These sites used to complain at the lack of Javascript in NetSurf, but
> do so no longer.

Perhaps those responsible for security have finally cottoned on to the
fact that allowing scripts from an unknown third party to run on a
computer (i.e. random websites) is a major security hole.

--
Jess

Re: Text box edit

The following bytes were arranged on 28 Oct 2012 by Dave Lawton:

Reply-To: davidpilling@freelists.org

Would you mind explaining why you had this line in your email header?

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__<^>__ Red sky in the morning: Shepherd's warning
/ _ _ \ Red sky at night: Shepherd's delight
( ( |_| ) ) Mince and potatoes: Shepherd's pie
\_> <_/ ======================= Martin Bazley ==========================

Problem with https site

Using Netsurf 3.0 dev CI #531
RiscPC running Adjust 4.39

NS fails to connect to Natwest card services, timing out after 30
seconds. Site is ok according to Firefox/Windows xp.

Tried several times with same result.

Can only get site to load with pre 3.0 versions of Netsurf - eg 13571
dated March 2012.

Cheers,

Steve

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Re: Text box edit

On Sun, 28 October, 2012 11:24 am, Russell Hafter - Lists wrote:
> In article <c87e58e552.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter
> Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> > In article <52e55560eerh.lists@phone.coop>, Russell
>> > Hafter - Lists <rh.lists@phone.coop> wrote:
>
>> > [Snippy]
>
>> >> The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
>> >> browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking
>> >> (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France)
>> >> (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank
>> >> Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript
>> >> required).
>
>> >> I imagine most others would fail too, for any number
>> >> of reasons, not necessarily scripting.
>
>> > LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell.
>
>> Also HSBC (UK) and ING.
>
> Newcastle Building Society does seem to work (mostly,
> anyway), though you do get a big warning that lack of JS may
> cause problems.
>
> The only problem I found was that logging off did not work
> properly.
>
> Nottingham Building Society seems to work with no issues.
>
> Neither of these offer current accounts, though, so one can
> assume that the systems are simpler.
>
Iyonix 5.16, NetSurf 2.9
When I tried to do some internet banking I initially had this error :-
"error setting certificate verify locations"

The solution to which was very kindly pointed out by Martin Bazley on
25 Sep in the 'can't get to ROOL site' thread.

Having sorted this, I then logged on to both the Cooperative & Halifax
sites. These two use scripting if the browser has it available.

These sites used to complain at the lack of Javascript in NetSurf, but
do so no longer.

Although I didn't actually process any transactions (I've none to do
ATM), I could not find any lack of functionality, though the layout
was slightly different to that rendered by Firefox.

I'll report back further when I've actually done some payments.

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Re: Text box edit

In article <c87e58e552.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter
Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <52e55560eerh.lists@phone.coop>, Russell
> > Hafter - Lists <rh.lists@phone.coop> wrote:

> > [Snippy]

> >> The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
> >> browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking
> >> (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France)
> >> (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank
> >> Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript
> >> required).

> >> I imagine most others would fail too, for any number
> >> of reasons, not necessarily scripting.

> > LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell.

> Also HSBC (UK) and ING.

Newcastle Building Society does seem to work (mostly,
anyway), though you do get a big warning that lack of JS may
cause problems.

The only problem I found was that logging off did not work
properly.

Nottingham Building Society seems to work with no issues.

Neither of these offer current accounts, though, so one can
assume that the systems are simpler.

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Re: Text box edit

In article <c87e58e552.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter
Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <52e55560eerh.lists@phone.coop>, Russell
> > Hafter - Lists <rh.lists@phone.coop> wrote:

> > [Snippy]

> >> The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
> >> browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking
> >> (UK) (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France)
> >> (Returns to Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank
> >> Screen), Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript
> >> required).

> >> I imagine most others would fail too, for any number
> >> of reasons, not necessarily scripting.

> > LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell.

> Also HSBC (UK) and ING.

Thought I should try nationwide with NS as well.

https://olb2.nationet.com/ on NS leads to:-

Nationwide's Internet Banking requires JavaScript and
cookies to be enabled. It appears that your browser does not
support JavaScript, or you have disabled it. Please
re-enable JavaScript or try accessing this site using a
different browser.

More information about our supported browsers and
configuration is available here.

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Re: Text box edit

In message <52e5a3f861dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> Me, logged in done a couple of transactions and logged out.
> She, still only partway through the login process.

In fairness, I bet the laptop isn't ten years old.

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Re: Text box edit

On 28 Oct, dave@triffid.co.uk wrote:
> In article <82b068e552.thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>,
> Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message <52e565c99edave@triffid.co.uk>
> > Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snippy]

> > Not seen it with Firefox.
> > >
> > > Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online
> > > with NS?
> > >
> > The mini statement doesn't do anything, never used that, but clicking
> > on the account gives a full transaction list, which is what I use. The
> > "View latest statement" also works. I can pay bills OK as well.

> > > Dave
> > >
> > Looks like I don't expect as much as you. ;-)

> > TTFN

> That's interesting...
> Being weekend, I have some ibanking to do, so I'll have another session
> with NS rather than Fx and see.
> Maybe LTSB have been fiddling with the site again. ;-)

> Dave

Okay, obviously done the things I need, so haven't been through everything
on the LTSB ibank pages.

>From the Accounts page, no mini statement, which also means NO full
statement.
In which case you have to open each individual account and get the
statement from there.

Transfers.
Using NS you don't get the information, such as "Money available" which
you do get using Fx as part of the process.

Finally, granted a computer thing rather than script... But just for the
fun...

She using NS and a SARPC started loggin in the LTSB at the same time as I
started using Fx 16.02 on the laptop.

Me, logged in done a couple of transactions and logged out.
She, still only partway through the login process.

D.

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Re: Text box edit

In message <52e59d2295dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <82b068e552.thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>,
> Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <52e565c99edave@triffid.co.uk>
>> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> [Snippy]

>> Not seen it with Firefox.
>>>
>>> Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with
>>> NS?
>>>
>> The mini statement doesn't do anything, never used that, but clicking on
>> the account gives a full transaction list, which is what I use. The
>> "View latest statement" also works. I can pay bills OK as well.

>>> Dave
>>>
>> Looks like I don't expect as much as you. ;-)

>> TTFN

> That's interesting...
> Being weekend, I have some ibanking to do, so I'll have another session
> with NS rather than Fx and see.
> Maybe LTSB have been fiddling with the site again. ;-)

Same problem exists with NatWest Dave. It will not work on my Iyonix
5.18 no matter what I try. For me it has to be XP.

Cheers

Alan



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Re: Text box edit

In article <82b068e552.thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>,
Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <52e565c99edave@triffid.co.uk>
> Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

[Snippy]

> Not seen it with Firefox.
> >
> > Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with
> > NS?
> >
> The mini statement doesn't do anything, never used that, but clicking on
> the account gives a full transaction list, which is what I use. The
> "View latest statement" also works. I can pay bills OK as well.

> > Dave
> >
> Looks like I don't expect as much as you. ;-)

> TTFN

That's interesting...
Being weekend, I have some ibanking to do, so I'll have another session
with NS rather than Fx and see.
Maybe LTSB have been fiddling with the site again. ;-)

Dave

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <a13359e452.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> If I install !Photodesk 3.09 in 5.17's HostFS (which it will do, it
>> just produces the error message the moment you try to actually use
>> it), and Shift-Select the application in that directory, the listed
>> components are /identical/ in order, size and type to the
>> corresponding installation on HD4 of my 4.02 setup.
>
> If Photodesk runs from RPCEmu089/402 HD4, does it also run from
> RPCEmu089/402 HostFS?

Good suggestion - yes! I just installed it on 089/402 HostFS and it
appears to run normally. I then did another install on 088/517 and it
would load to the icon bar (as before) and fail on attempting to clear
previous images with the same error message as before. So maybe the
problem lies with RPCEmu 088, which is presumably responsible for
creating the HostFS filesystem, rather than 517; in which case
upgrading to 089/517 might fix the problem.

George



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Re: Text box edit

In message <52e565c99edave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <88595ae552.thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>,
> Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> [Snippy]
> > It is working as normal here. Just checked my accounts and made a
> > transfer. (NS #529 RO 6.3)
>
> > Must be something funny at your end Dave.
>
> I didn't say everything...
>
> Yes you can still do a transfer, but you don't get the info onscreen about
> the transfer in the detail you get with Fx.

Not seen it with Firefox.
>
> Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with NS?
>
The mini statement doesn't do anything, never used that, but clicking on
the account gives a full transaction list, which is what I use. The
"View latest statement" also works. I can pay bills OK as well.

> Dave
>
Looks like I don't expect as much as you. ;-)

TTFN
--
Geoff.
Using Acorn StrongARM Kinetic RiscPC.
Oxymoron of the day: "Little Monster"

Re: Text box edit

In article <88595ae552.thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk>,
Geoffrey Baxendale <thebears@sarno.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
[Snippy]
> It is working as normal here. Just checked my accounts and made a
> transfer. (NS #529 RO 6.3)

> Must be something funny at your end Dave.

I didn't say everything...

Yes you can still do a transfer, but you don't get the info onscreen about
the transfer in the detail you get with Fx.

Can you look at a mini statement, or even a full statement online with NS?

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

In message <52e512dff0dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <d0f8e5e452.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>,
> Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> [Snippy]
> > That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a
> > problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the
> > option of trying another browser.
> > --
> > Richard Porter
>
> Yes my wife who uses NetSurf a lot does that, compose in Edit, then copies
> to the text area.
>
> Can't be bothered myself, so I use Fx (16.02 ATM) and if it fails, an
> addon called Lazarus returns the writing to me.
>
> FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the
> final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a
> short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do
> much there other than view the site.
>
It is working as normal here. Just checked my accounts and made a
transfer. (NS #529 RO 6.3)

Must be something funny at your end Dave.

> Shame, but practicalities rule.
>
> D.
>

TTFN
--
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Using Acorn StrongARM Kinetic RiscPC.
Oxymoron of the day: "Tight Slacks"

Re: Text box edit

In message <52e55560eerh.lists@phone.coop>
Russell Hafter - Lists <rh.lists@phone.coop> wrote:

>> I've not noticed anything stop working. (I refuse to do
>> anything financial, where scripting is involved.)

> Which bank(s) in Europe do you know that do not use any kind
> of scripting and can be guaranteed not to, ever?

I have not found Lloyd's blocking me from doing anything I have wanted
online.

If they did, then I would stop using the online service and go into
the branch, or perhaps use the phone service.

I was more referring to purchases. If I can't buy it with scripts
disabled, I'll try the phone (providing it's a geographic or
freephone). Failing that, I'll try a competitor.

If it annoys me enough I'll complain to the site.

Sometimes that yields a result.

--
Jess

Re: Text box edit

On 27 Oct 2012 Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <52e55560eerh.lists@phone.coop>,
> Russell Hafter - Lists <rh.lists@phone.coop> wrote:
> [Snippy]
>> The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
>> browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK)
>> (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to
>> Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen),
>> Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required).

>> I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of
>> reasons, not necessarily scripting.

> LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell.

Also HSBC (UK) and ING.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Text box edit

In article <52e55560eerh.lists@phone.coop>,
Russell Hafter - Lists <rh.lists@phone.coop> wrote:
[Snippy]
> The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
> browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK)
> (Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to
> Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen),
> Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required).

> I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of
> reasons, not necessarily scripting.

LloydsTSB and Halifax can be added to that list Russell.

A short while back we could still do some stuff on the LTSB, but since
they re-worked it we can't even view our online statements.

Dave

--

Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

In article <60d73fe552.jess@itworkshop.invalid>, Jess
Hampshire <jesshampshire@gmail.com> wrote:

> In message <52e512dff0dave@triffid.co.uk> Dave Symes
> <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> > FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and
> > bobs, but recently the final nails started to fall when
> > LTSB reworked their online banking site a short while
> > back and it became impossible (due to lack of
> > scripting) to do much there other than view the site.

> What doesn't it do?

> I've not noticed anything stop working. (I refuse to do
> anything financial, where scripting is involved.)

Which bank(s) in Europe do you know that do not use any kind
of scripting and can be guaranteed not to, ever?

Of the half dozen or so of my accounts that I have tried to
login to using Netsurf I have (so far) found two where I can
at least access the account, though I did not try to carry
out a transaction. In the UK, Cahoot, in Germany, VR-Bank
etc.

The following failed: RBS + NatWest (UK) (unsupported
browser), Cumberland Building Society Business Banking (UK)
(Virtual keypad does not work), HSBC (France) (Returns to
Login Screen), Citibank (Belgium) (Blank Screen),
Postfinance (Switzerland) (JavaScript required).

I imagine most others would fail too, for any number of
reasons, not necessarily scripting.

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Re: Text box edit

In message <52e512dff0dave@triffid.co.uk>
Dave Symes <dave@triffid.co.uk> wrote:

> FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the
> final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a
> short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do
> much there other than view the site.

What doesn't it do?

I've not noticed anything stop working. (I refuse to do anything
financial, where scripting is involved.)

--
Jess

Re: Text box edit

In article <62d8b9e452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>,
Jess Hampshire <jesshampshire@gmail.com> wrote:
> he sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes
> that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as
> messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what
> the editor sees it as.)

Pluto uses a Ctrl-Shift-E which throws the current text to an external
editor.

This works very well. IMO better than a menu entry.

But isn't this pretty well exclusive to Risc OS?

--
Richard Torrens.
http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Friday, 26 October 2012

Re: Text box edit

In article <d0f8e5e452.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>,
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
[Snippy]
> That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a
> problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the
> option of trying another browser.
> --
> Richard Porter

Yes my wife who uses NetSurf a lot does that, compose in Edit, then copies
to the text area.

Can't be bothered myself, so I use Fx (16.02 ATM) and if it fails, an
addon called Lazarus returns the writing to me.

FWIW. I still use NetSurf on RO for a few bits and bobs, but recently the
final nails started to fall when LTSB reworked their online banking site a
short while back and it became impossible (due to lack of scripting) to do
much there other than view the site.

Shame, but practicalities rule.

D.

--

Dave Triffid

Re: Text box edit

On 26 Oct 2012 Jess Hampshire wrote:

> In message <e5e2bae452.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>
> Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:

>> Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea,
>> especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the
>> line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're
>> not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a
>> text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window
>> thereby losing the form that you were completing.

> It seems a bit of a waste of effort to make the editor really
> polished, when system editors already offer the required
> functionality.

Yes...but. It seems a bit clumsy to have to use another application to
edit the contents of a textarea, especially if you have to copy the
existing text into the editor to start with. There would need to be a
quick means of doing it.

That said I sometimes use Edit to compose the text in case there's a
problem with the web site and it gets lost. Also it gives me the
option of trying another browser.
--
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mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Text box edit

In message <e5e2bae452.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:

> Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea,
> especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the
> line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're
> not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a
> text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window
> thereby losing the form that you were completing.

It seems a bit of a waste of effort to make the editor really
polished, when system editors already offer the required
functionality.


--
Jess

Re: Text box edit

On 26 Oct 2012 Jess Hampshire wrote:

> In message <52e4b8a23cLists@Torrens.org.uk>
> "Richard Torrens (lists)" <Lists@Torrens.org.uk> wrote:

>> I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop
>> into Netsurf.

> So do I.

>> Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler?

> Where it is no use is when a text box appears ready filled.

> The sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes
> that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as
> messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what
> the editor sees it as.)

Yes, there are long-standing problems with editing in a textarea,
especially if you try to cut and paste text. The cursor sits on the
line below where the text would go, which is most confusing if you're
not prepared for it. There is also a nasty gotcha where if you drag a
text file into the textarea NS just opens the file in the main window
thereby losing the form that you were completing.

I have raised bug reports in the dim and distant past but I guess
there hasn't been anyone available to work on this area.

--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.

Re: Text box edit

In message <52e4b8a23cLists@Torrens.org.uk>
"Richard Torrens (lists)" <Lists@Torrens.org.uk> wrote:

> I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop
> into Netsurf.

So do I.

> Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler?

Where it is no use is when a text box appears ready filled.

The sort of thing I was thinking of, was a menu item over text boxes
that sent the contents to an external editor, in much the same way as
messenger pro used to. (it would also be nice to have options for what
the editor sees it as.)

--
Jess

Re: Text box edit

In article <be1eb1e452.jess@itworkshop.invalid>,
Jess Hampshire <jesshampshire@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi

> Would it be possible to have an option to use the system editor to
> edit text boxes?

> (Also it would be nice to have a system to set the mode.)

> It would be nice to be able to use StrongEd's mail mode on gmail, for
> example.

> Thanks

I frequently use StrongED to edit text: then mark it and drag and drop
into Netsurf.

Not sure how anyhting in Netsurf could make this simpler?

--
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http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!

Re: libhubbub parse error on google homepage

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 06:11:37AM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> You guys won't have to make any guarantees about compilation or runtime
> here as I'll take it on my own to get things working for users should they
> have questions, however I doubt this would be the case as there are very
> few nodejs developers compared to other languages, and it's pretty unlikely
> that many would use my library over the numerous html parsing libraries
> already available for nodejs. I would be very surprised if more than 20
> developers use this library.

Very well -- I just suggest you make sure you have good notes (perhaps in the
form of a file in *your* git repo) which states which SHA1s your pull of our
code came from; so you can track stuff later for yourself :-)

D.

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Re: libhubbub parse error on google homepage

The reason perl is not available is not due to it being on the file system or not etc -- node-gyp was engineered for the purposes of cross-platform compilation, so that nodejs native extensions would be easily compiled on windows platforms as well.  I'm not about to re-engineer node-gyp as it is not my project, the nodejs core are the ones who maintain it.  node-gyp isn't perfect, but it's a big improvement over what was available at the time.

I'm merely trying to create something that is easy for people to use.  I understand from your perspective that if people have trouble, it may be difficult to pin-point the version of code used, but I prefer ease of installation for developers in this case.

You guys won't have to make any guarantees about compilation or runtime here as I'll take it on my own to get things working for users should they have questions, however I doubt this would be the case as there are very few nodejs developers compared to other languages, and it's pretty unlikely that many would use my library over the numerous html parsing libraries already available for nodejs. I would be very surprised if more than 20 developers use this library.


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Daniel Silverstone <dsilvers@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 05:53:34AM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> Yeah sorry, I will submodule the stuff soon-ish, however there were a few
> things that can't be easily submoduled, like the entities.inc & aliases.inc
> which were generated from a perl script.  I can't count on perl being on
> the system, or in the path.  The build system is the nodejs standard,
> node-gyp so it's easier if makefiles are not used in this case.  The user
> will simply do a "npm install hubbub" and node-gyp would download, compile,
> and install the binaries.
>
> What are your suggestions regarding some of these things?

Regarding entites.inc and aliases.inc I'd suggest that you branch our repos
into your github and simply maintain a commit on top which adds those if you
truly cannot rely on Perl being available.  (I'd note that almost every distro
under the sun has sufficient perl in its base installation though).

As for Makefiles not being acceptable to 'node-gyp' it sounds like you need to
fix node-gyp (or make it run an external process which can call make) -- we are
very very unlikely to make guarantees that things will compile if you don't use
our Makefiles.

D.

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Re: libhubbub parse error on google homepage

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 05:53:34AM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> Yeah sorry, I will submodule the stuff soon-ish, however there were a few
> things that can't be easily submoduled, like the entities.inc & aliases.inc
> which were generated from a perl script. I can't count on perl being on
> the system, or in the path. The build system is the nodejs standard,
> node-gyp so it's easier if makefiles are not used in this case. The user
> will simply do a "npm install hubbub" and node-gyp would download, compile,
> and install the binaries.
>
> What are your suggestions regarding some of these things?

Regarding entites.inc and aliases.inc I'd suggest that you branch our repos
into your github and simply maintain a commit on top which adds those if you
truly cannot rely on Perl being available. (I'd note that almost every distro
under the sun has sufficient perl in its base installation though).

As for Makefiles not being acceptable to 'node-gyp' it sounds like you need to
fix node-gyp (or make it run an external process which can call make) -- we are
very very unlikely to make guarantees that things will compile if you don't use
our Makefiles.

D.

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Re: libhubbub parse error on google homepage

Yeah sorry, I will submodule the stuff soon-ish, however there were a few things that can't be easily submoduled, like the entities.inc & aliases.inc which were generated from a perl script.  I can't count on perl being on the system, or in the path.  The build system is the nodejs standard, node-gyp so it's easier if makefiles are not used in this case.  The user will simply do a "npm install hubbub" and node-gyp would download, compile, and install the binaries.

What are your suggestions regarding some of these things?


On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 5:34 AM, Daniel Silverstone <dsilvers@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 02:45:01AM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> Btw, thanks for the help on this.  The project is for a nodejs native
> extension that brings the love of libhubbub to the nodejs world:
>
> https://github.com/deanmao/node-hubbub
>
> There are other html parsers in the nodejs world, but none are as good as
> libhubbub.  I considered using the parser from webkit or firefox, but
> libhubub was definitely the easiest to use since it was completely
> standalone and used very few external libraries.

I am concerned that you blithely embed an arbitrary version of our libraries
into your codebase.  While there's nothing legally wrong with doing this, from
a technical point of view it's bad for traceability.  Also it means that if
your users run into problems, tracking it back to whether or not there has been
a fix in the real hubbub codebase will be pretty hard.

If you're not going to submodule our repositories (and I can appreciate that
there's reasons why you might not want to) then you should at least indicate
which SHA1 you got hubbub and libparserutils from, so that you can track things
back later for when the parser etc move on.

D.

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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

On 26 Oct 2012 cj <chris@chris-johnson.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <7429a0e452.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
> Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> Slight warning: it doesn't look as if anything is happening till
>> the new version suddenly springs into life.

> If you have the directory, in which Fetch_NS is located, open, do you
> not see the new zip file appear as it is downloaded, the icon change
> to a zip, when the download is finished, Netsurf disappear from
> iconbar, the zip file deleted, then new version reappear on the
> iconbar? If there is not a new version, then certainly there is no
> visible sign of action - perhaps an error box? - but then that
> requires a user to dismiss it again. There will be periods of
> inactivity of a few seconds, since NS does take a wee while to quit,
> and to start up again.

Sorry, I put it slightly misleadingly. What I meant is "unless you
know what to look for, apparently nothing happens". It took me some
time to realise that I could indeed see all the things you mention. It
is slightly unnerving, though, to wait for the time that NS takes to
quit and start up, and I thought I was getting more patient in my old
age!

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: libhubbub parse error on google homepage

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 02:45:01AM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> Btw, thanks for the help on this. The project is for a nodejs native
> extension that brings the love of libhubbub to the nodejs world:
>
> https://github.com/deanmao/node-hubbub
>
> There are other html parsers in the nodejs world, but none are as good as
> libhubbub. I considered using the parser from webkit or firefox, but
> libhubub was definitely the easiest to use since it was completely
> standalone and used very few external libraries.

I am concerned that you blithely embed an arbitrary version of our libraries
into your codebase. While there's nothing legally wrong with doing this, from
a technical point of view it's bad for traceability. Also it means that if
your users run into problems, tracking it back to whether or not there has been
a fix in the real hubbub codebase will be pretty hard.

If you're not going to submodule our repositories (and I can appreciate that
there's reasons why you might not want to) then you should at least indicate
which SHA1 you got hubbub and libparserutils from, so that you can track things
back later for when the parser etc move on.

D.

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Text box edit

Hi

Would it be possible to have an option to use the system editor to
edit text boxes?

(Also it would be nice to have a system to set the mode.)

It would be nice to be able to use StrongEd's mail mode on gmail, for
example.

Thanks

--
Jess

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

In message <ca7d9fe352.SuperAl@albenito.eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk>
Allan Bennett <albenito@eclipse2k.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:

> There is a "Tell us how we're doing" feedback button - very quick to
> complete, though I don't know how much notice they will take...

I took a screenshot, transferred it to a PC, posted it and submitted
feedback, highlighting the screenshot.

--
Jess

Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

In article <7429a0e452.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 26 Oct 2012 Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > With all the complexes of the number of 'releases ' what issue do
> > you recommend for an Iyonix 5.18 to a layman like me? I use March 23
> > r13571.

> For a 5.18 user, I'd recommend Chris Johnson's adaptation of Fetch_NS,
> which was mentioned in the "Fetching NetSurf" thread, and which he
> will send you if you ask him. This checks whether there is a new
> version, and, if there is, downloads, installs and runs it. This works
> perfectly for me.

> Slight warning: it doesn't look as if anything is happening till the
> new version suddenly springs into life.

My adaptation will report what it's doing (or whether there's nothing to
be done). Other than that, it probably does about the same as Chris's
version, with the exception of deleting older versions (which I prefer
to do manually).

If anyone is interested, it can be found here:
http://www.aconet.org/tools/#fetchns

Please do not use this list to report any problems with it or ask any
questions about. Use one of the comp.sys.acorn newsgroups or Archive
OnLine instead.

Regards,
Frank

Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

In message <7429a0e452.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:

> On 26 Oct 2012 Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:

>> In message <mpro.mchr4w004xogt00e2.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>
>> David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

>>> Rob Kendrick, on 26 Oct, wrote:

>>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:56:17PM +1300, Alan & Sally wrote:
>>>>> Hi CJ,

>> With all the complexes of the number of 'releases ' what issue do you
>> recommend for an Iyonix 5.18 to a layman like me? I use March 23
>> r13571.

> For a 5.18 user, I'd recommend Chris Johnson's adaptation of Fetch_NS,
> which was mentioned in the "Fetching NetSurf" thread, and which he
> will send you if you ask him. This checks whether there is a new
> version, and, if there is, downloads, installs and runs it. This works
> perfectly for me.

> Slight warning: it doesn't look as if anything is happening till the
> new version suddenly springs into life.

> With best wishes,

Thank you my dear Doctor,

Alan Peter.



--

Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

On 26 October 2012 10:19, David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Rob Kendrick, on 26 Oct, wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:56:17PM +1300, Alan & Sally wrote:
> > > Hi CJ,
> > >
> > > Same result with 531. I downloaded it using 2.9, works normally. Tried
> > > 531. Still doesn't connect. No changes have been made between using the
> > > two versions. Are you using VRPC on a Mac?
> >
> > Try an earlier build, such as, say, #480? Try to find at what point the
> > problem was introduced. What is the very latest version you have tried
> > that worked?
>
> I reported the issue on the 29th September, that was a very early build
> predating the #numbered versions.
>
> mpro.mb4in900bgzx702kb.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk
>
> > I don't recall anybody doing work on the networking side of NetSurf very
> > recently, but I do recall all sorts of problems with VRPC due to the
> > "special" way it handles the internet. (Specifically, its handling of the
> > resolver address environment variable.)
>
> I guess then that VRPC uses different "special" ways on Windows and the Mac.
>
My experience is the same. (although occasionally the *first* URL
click *sometimes*
loads a page, a subsequent try times out at 30000 millisecs and I then
have to use 2.9

I'm on an iMac running Mountain Lion. I'll try windows7 later and see
what happens there.

John

Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

In article <7429a0e452.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> Slight warning: it doesn't look as if anything is happening till
> the new version suddenly springs into life.

If you have the directory, in which Fetch_NS is located, open, do you
not see the new zip file appear as it is downloaded, the icon change
to a zip, when the download is finished, Netsurf disappear from
iconbar, the zip file deleted, then new version reappear on the
iconbar? If there is not a new version, then certainly there is no
visible sign of action - perhaps an error box? - but then that
requires a user to dismiss it again. There will be periods of
inactivity of a few seconds, since NS does take a wee while to quit,
and to start up again.

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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

In article <op.wmrd33qwif396l@alansall>,
Alan & Sally <jared.r@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
> Same result with 531. I downloaded it using 2.9, works normally.
> Tried 531. Still doesn't connect. No changes have been made between
> using the two versions. Are you using VRPC on a Mac?

No. I am using RISC OS 5.19 on an Iyonix and an ARMini.

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Re: libhubbub parse error on google homepage

Btw, thanks for the help on this.  The project is for a nodejs native extension that brings the love of libhubbub to the nodejs world:


There are other html parsers in the nodejs world, but none are as good as libhubbub.  I considered using the parser from webkit or firefox, but libhubub was definitely the easiest to use since it was completely standalone and used very few external libraries.  


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 4:14 AM, Dean Mao <deanmao@gmail.com> wrote:
I see, thanks for the tip.  I'm only using it for the tokeniser as I don't have use for a dom tree.  All I did was perform this when I saw a script tag:

  hubbub_tokeniser_optparams params;
  params.content_model.model = HUBBUB_CONTENT_MODEL_CDATA;
  hubbub_tokeniser_setopt(tok_, HUBBUB_TOKENISER_CONTENT_MODEL, &params);

Then revert it back when I see the end of the script tag.  It seemed like that was what in_head.c was doing with parse_generic_rcdata().


On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:27 AM, John-Mark Bell <jmb@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 02:54:49AM -0700, Dean Mao wrote:
> Here's a more compact test:
>
> <script>for(var i=0;i<n;i++);</script>
>
> Outputs:
>
> START TAG: 'script'
> CHARACTERS: 'for(var i=0;i'
> START TAG: 'n;i++);<' attributes:
> 'script' = ''
>
> Essentially everything inside a <script> tag should be treated as
> characters until a </script> tag is seen.

Yes. This behaviour you're seeing is expected. The HTML5 tokeniser has a
number of modes, which are selected by the token handler callback
provided by the client. The trivial token handler in test/tokeniser.c
does not manipulate the tokeniser mode, thus it does not handle the
contents of script (and other, similar) elements in the expected fashion.

The treebuilder implementation in Hubbub does manipulate the tokeniser
mode in the correct way. In most cases, you'll want to use the built-in
treebuilder, as it handles all the complexity of coping with junk input
for you. See examples/libxml.c for a demonstration of how to use the
built-in treebuilder.

If you do only wish to use the tokeniser, then you need to ensure that
your token handler changes the tokeniser mode in the same way that an
HTML5 treebuilder would.


J.


Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

On 26 Oct 2012 Alan Leighton <alan.leighton2@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> In message <mpro.mchr4w004xogt00e2.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>
> David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

>> Rob Kendrick, on 26 Oct, wrote:

>>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:56:17PM +1300, Alan & Sally wrote:
>>>> Hi CJ,

> With all the complexes of the number of 'releases ' what issue do you
> recommend for an Iyonix 5.18 to a layman like me? I use March 23
> r13571.

For a 5.18 user, I'd recommend Chris Johnson's adaptation of Fetch_NS,
which was mentioned in the "Fetching NetSurf" thread, and which he
will send you if you ask him. This checks whether there is a new
version, and, if there is, downloads, installs and runs it. This works
perfectly for me.

Slight warning: it doesn't look as if anything is happening till the
new version suddenly springs into life.

With best wishes,

Peter.

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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

In message <mpro.mchr4w004xogt00e2.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>
David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:

> Rob Kendrick, on 26 Oct, wrote:

>> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:56:17PM +1300, Alan & Sally wrote:
>>> Hi CJ,

With all the complexes of the number of 'releases ' what issue do you
recommend for an Iyonix 5.18 to a layman like me? I use March 23
r13571.

Thanks in advance

Alan





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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

Rob Kendrick, on 26 Oct, wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:56:17PM +1300, Alan & Sally wrote:
> > Hi CJ,
> >
> > Same result with 531. I downloaded it using 2.9, works normally. Tried
> > 531. Still doesn't connect. No changes have been made between using the
> > two versions. Are you using VRPC on a Mac?
>
> Try an earlier build, such as, say, #480? Try to find at what point the
> problem was introduced. What is the very latest version you have tried
> that worked?

I reported the issue on the 29th September, that was a very early build
predating the #numbered versions.

mpro.mb4in900bgzx702kb.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk

> I don't recall anybody doing work on the networking side of NetSurf very
> recently, but I do recall all sorts of problems with VRPC due to the
> "special" way it handles the internet. (Specifically, its handling of the
> resolver address environment variable.)

I guess then that VRPC uses different "special" ways on Windows and the Mac.



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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 12:56:17PM +1300, Alan & Sally wrote:
> Hi CJ,
>
> Same result with 531. I downloaded it using 2.9, works normally. Tried 531. Still doesn't connect. No changes have been made between using the two versions. Are you using VRPC on a Mac?

Try an earlier build, such as, say, #480? Try to find at what point the
problem was introduced. What is the very latest version you have tried
that worked?

I don't recall anybody doing work on the networking side of NetSurf
very recently, but I do recall all sorts of problems with VRPC due to
the "special" way it handles the internet. (Specifically, its handling
of the resolver address environment variable.)

B.

Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

Clive Bonsall, on 25 Oct, wrote:

> With VRPC AdjustSA Mac and RISCOS 4.39 …
>
> I find that the most recent test builds of Netsurf will not access the
> Internet. Netsurf loads OK, but clicking on a URL does nothing and
> eventually times out. Netsurf 2.9 is fine, as is test build r13115. I
> believe I have updated !Boot and !System correctly, and have the latest
> versions of Iconv and Tinct installed.

Same here with NetSurf #531 on OS X 10.8.2, the error is "Resolving timed
out after 30000 milliseconds". NetSurf 2.9 is fine.

No such problem with VRPC in Windows 7.

> Can anyone suggest what the problem might be? == CB


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Thursday, 25 October 2012

Image align and heading tags

On Netsurf 2.9 an image with ALIGN="LEFT" (for example) will wrap any
following text around it, including H1/H2/H3 tags.

On Netsurf 3.0 the same HTML markup results in the heading appearing
below the image and no wrapping taking place. Behaviour with text
other than headings appears to be the same.

Is this a bug, or was the previous behaviour erroneous? (in which case I
need to rewrite some of my HTML which relied on this)

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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

Hi CJ,

Same result with 531. I downloaded it using 2.9, works normally. Tried 531. Still doesn't connect. No changes have been made between using the two versions. Are you using VRPC on a Mac?

Regards, Alan

**************************

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 11:38:54 +1300, cj <chris@chris-johnson.org.uk> wrote:

> In article <22F899E1-3CAA-4E82-B0C8-433848087CC7@ed.ac.uk>,
> Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
>> Can anyone suggest what the problem might be?
>
> Something must have changed on your system. There are a lot of users
> regularly updating the latest builds. If there was a general problem
> it would soon show up here.
>
> The latest build (#531) is absolutely fine here.

Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

Hi, same here with VRPC AdjustSA and RISCOS 4.39 on Mac with OS 10.5.8 and Power Processor.

Alan

***********************

On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 10:28:10 +1300, Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> wrote:

> With VRPC AdjustSA Mac and RISCOS 4.39 …
>
> I find that the most recent test builds of Netsurf will not access the Internet. Netsurf loads OK, but clicking on a URL does nothing and eventually times out. Netsurf 2.9 is fine, as is test build r13115. I believe I have updated !Boot and !System correctly, and have the latest versions of Iconv and Tinct installed.
>
> Can anyone suggest what the problem might be?
> ==
> CB

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 21:55:32 +0100, John Rickman Iyonix wrote:

> I am trying to find a cloud based application for sharing files across
> several systems.
>
> These are: Iyonix RISC OS, HTC phone Android, 10" Tablet Android,
> Raspberry Pi linux and RISC OS, and an Intel machine running Lubuntu.
>
> Google + or rather Google Drive is one possiblility, Dropbox and
> EverNote are two others.
>
> While not expecting to be able to save and retrieve files owing to the
> lack of java Script, I was hoping at least to be to be able to see a
> list of the files put up from Linux. But if the message is to be
> believed Google Drive tests for specific Browser ids.

I like MyDrive (http://www.mydrive.net). It's WebDAV-based so a nice
open standard that can potentially work on any OS. I know of virtual
WebDAV filesystems for Windows, Linux, MacOS, Android and AmigaOS
(unfortunately I've been unable to locate one for RISC OS), and for
others there is a web interface.

MyDrive's web interface works fine under NetSurf for browsing and
downloading files, however it is impossible to upload anything.

Chris

Spam on bug tracker

Somebody seems to have worked out how to leave spam comments on bugs
listed on Netsurf's Sourceforge bug tracker.
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3572535&group_id=51719&atid=464312
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3579890&group_id=51719&atid=464312


(Do people really think that they are going to attract customers via
these methods...?)

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Re: Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

In article <22F899E1-3CAA-4E82-B0C8-433848087CC7@ed.ac.uk>,
Clive Bonsall <c.bonsall@ed.ac.uk> wrote:
> Can anyone suggest what the problem might be?

Something must have changed on your system. There are a lot of users
regularly updating the latest builds. If there was a general problem
it would soon show up here.

The latest build (#531) is absolutely fine here.

--
Chris Johnson

Unable to access the Internet with recent RISCOS test builds

With VRPC AdjustSA Mac and RISCOS 4.39 …

I find that the most recent test builds of Netsurf will not access the Internet. Netsurf loads OK, but clicking on a URL does nothing and eventually times out. Netsurf 2.9 is fine, as is test build r13115. I believe I have updated !Boot and !System correctly, and have the latest versions of Iconv and Tinct installed.

Can anyone suggest what the problem might be?
==
CB

Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

Jess Hampshire wrote


> John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
>> Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string?

> Possibly a good case for dismissing Google plus as an irrelevance.
> Facebook can be used with NS

I am trying to find a cloud based application for sharing files across
several systems.

These are: Iyonix RISC OS, HTC phone Android, 10" Tablet Android,
Raspberry Pi linux and RISC OS, and an Intel machine running Lubuntu.

Google + or rather Google Drive is one possiblility, Dropbox and
EverNote are two others.

While not expecting to be able to save and retrieve files owing to the
lack of java Script, I was hoping at least to be to be able to see a
list of the files put up from Linux. But if the message is to be
believed Google Drive tests for specific Browser ids.




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Re: Google + -Your Browser is no longer supported

In message <ee9d9ee352.iyojohn@rickman.argonet.co.uk>
John Rickman Iyonix <rickman@argonet.co.uk> wrote:

> Is this a good case for faking the User-Agent string?

Possibly a good case for dismissing Google plus as an irrelevance.

Facebook can be used with NS

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Jess

Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:

[snip]

> If I install !Photodesk 3.09 in 5.17's HostFS (which it will do, it
> just produces the error message the moment you try to actually use
> it), and Shift-Select the application in that directory, the listed
> components are /identical/ in order, size and type to the
> corresponding installation on HD4 of my 4.02 setup.

If Photodesk runs from RPCEmu089/402 HD4, does it also run from
RPCEmu089/402 HostFS?

If Photodesk will not run from RPCEmu088/517 HostFS, perhaps it would be
advisable to install RPCEmu089/519, to see if the bug is still present?

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

Hi George,

> > I'd have guessed it's something HostFS hasn't implemented and
> > perhaps a log file from rpcemu would help show the operation.
>
> If you would kindly tell me how to capture/access said log file, I
> will happily oblige.

From a look at the source it seems hostfs prints info to stderr but only
in a `debug' build produced by --enable-debug to ./configure. Should
debug downloads be provided so users can help give more feedback without
having to build from source?

Alternatively, is there something like strace for RISC OS these days
that would observe Photodesk's SWIs, including those triggering the
complaint?

Cheers, Ralph.

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <20121024175555.735DF2DFF5@orac.inputplus.co.uk>
Ralph Corderoy <ralph@inputplus.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>> > > > ... any attempt to run !Photodesk from HostFS brings up the
>> > > > error message 'Filing system does not support this operation'.
>
> I'd have guessed it's something HostFS hasn't implemented and perhaps a
> log file from rpcemu would help show the operation.

If you would kindly tell me how to capture/access said log file, I
will happily oblige.

> If that is the
> case, it may not be much work to implement and a better fix rather than
> change Photodesk and other apps that do similar.

Indeed. And thanks for the suggestion above!

George

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <2d81c8e352.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> In message <8fe3b8e352.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
>> Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>> > On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
>> > wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> > > ... any attempt to run !Photodesk from HostFS brings up the error
>> > > message 'Filing system does not support this operation'.
[snip]
>
> Could the problem be related to Windows' file extensions? When you look
> at the Photodesk program files, in HostFS, from the RPCEmu filer, are
> they all correctly named, and filetyped?

If I install !Photodesk 3.09 in 5.17's HostFS (which it will do, it
just produces the error message the moment you try to actually use
it), and Shift-Select the application in that directory, the listed
components are /identical/ in order, size and type to the
corresponding installation on HD4 of my 4.02 setup. So I don't think
that's the problem.

I did post a query on the RPCEmu section of the ROOL Forum a while ago
http://www.riscosopen.org/forum/forums/10/topics/1232?page=1 but
despite a number of 'views', there has been no response so far...

George
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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

Hi,

> > > > ... any attempt to run !Photodesk from HostFS brings up the
> > > > error message 'Filing system does not support this operation'.

I'd have guessed it's something HostFS hasn't implemented and perhaps a
log file from rpcemu would help show the operation. If that is the
case, it may not be much work to implement and a better fix rather than
change Photodesk and other apps that do similar.

Cheers, Ralph.

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
> In message <8fe3b8e352.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
> > wrote:

[snip]

> > > ... any attempt to run !Photodesk from HostFS brings up the error
> > > message 'Filing system does not support this operation'.
> >
> > Sounds like a bug. Have you reported it to the developers?
>
> I told CJE Micros when the problem first occurred early this year - I
> believe they are in contact with the developer. I have v3.09 and v3.10
> and either works fine from 4.02's HD4, so I don't think the apps
> themselves are corrupt.

Could the problem be related to Windows' file extensions? When you look
at the Photodesk program files, in HostFS, from the RPCEmu filer, are
they all correctly named, and filetyped?

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

In message <8fe3b8e352.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
> wrote:
>> In message <6d72a5e352.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
>> Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> > I know nothing about Photodesk, but why does it need HardDisc4? Is
>> > that path 'hard-wired' into the application?
>>
>> Possibly (I don't know anything about the programme's internal
>> workings): what I do know is that any attempt to run !Photodesk from
>> HostFS brings up the error message 'Filing system does not support
>> this operation'.
>
> Sounds like a bug. Have you reported it to the developers?

I told CJE Micros when the problem first occurred early this year - I
believe they are in contact with the developer. I have v3.09 and v3.10
and either works fine from 4.02's HD4, so I don't think the apps
themselves are corrupt.

George

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Re: [Rpcemu] RISC OS 5.17 benchmarked against 4.02

On 24 Oct 2012, george greenfield <george.greenfield@tiscali.co.uk>
wrote:
> In message <6d72a5e352.old_coaster@old_coaster.yahoo.co.uk>
> Tony Moore <old_coaster@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

[snip]

> > I know nothing about Photodesk, but why does it need HardDisc4? Is
> > that path 'hard-wired' into the application?
>
> Possibly (I don't know anything about the programme's internal
> workings): what I do know is that any attempt to run !Photodesk from
> HostFS brings up the error message 'Filing system does not support
> this operation'.

Sounds like a bug. Have you reported it to the developers?

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