On 27 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:
[snip]
> Just checked and google.co.uk also works with Javascript enabled. This
> didn't work when I check a couple of weeks back.
>
> Tested with 6789.
>
As I said last time, this clearly varies from individual user/ISP
connection to user: it worked for me too for a while before displaying
an explicit notice that I had been blocked, and currently returns a
complete blank page (with JavaScript enabled) or a "our systems have
detected unusual activity" (with JS disabled). Tested with 6790.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Presence of mind is good, but absence of body is better.
Thursday, 27 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Web search changes
In message <5bf4415613john@jaharrison.me.uk>
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <5bf41da559Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
> lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>> I have always preferred to use Duckduckgo as my search engine
> As a brand in preference to Google yes. But it doesn't offer the ability
> to display images (rather than text entries) which I often find useful.
Google search is working fine for me!
Using Google.com and need to have Javascript enabled.
Just takes a little longer for google.com to load with the extra
Javascript processing.
Just checked and google.co.uk also works with Javascript enabled. This
didn't work when I check a couple of weeks back.
Tested with 6789.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <5bf41da559Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
> lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>> I have always preferred to use Duckduckgo as my search engine
> As a brand in preference to Google yes. But it doesn't offer the ability
> to display images (rather than text entries) which I often find useful.
Google search is working fine for me!
Using Google.com and need to have Javascript enabled.
Just takes a little longer for google.com to load with the extra
Javascript processing.
Just checked and google.co.uk also works with Javascript enabled. This
didn't work when I check a couple of weeks back.
Tested with 6789.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Monday, 24 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Missing links
None of the various links on this Civil War website are visible unless
you disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of
'mobile device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the
browser doesn't support?
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Reality is for people who can't face science fiction.
you disable CSS support - it's just a headline and a front page photo.
https://norfolketraynedbandes.uk/
I'm guessing that the site is identifying Netsurf as some kind of
'mobile device' and offering a pop-up menu to save space, which the
browser doesn't support?
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Reality is for people who can't face science fiction.
[netsurf-users] Re: Web search changes
In article <5bf41da559Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk>,
lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> I have always preferred to use Duckduckgo as my search engine
As a brand in preference to Google yes. But it doesn't offer the ability
to display images (rather than text entries) which I often find useful.
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children (Emmerson?)
lists <Stuartlists@orpheusinternet.co.uk> wrote:
> I have always preferred to use Duckduckgo as my search engine
As a brand in preference to Google yes. But it doesn't offer the ability
to display images (rather than text entries) which I often find useful.
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors, we borrow it from our children (Emmerson?)
[netsurf-users] Re: Web search changes
In article <21e417f45b.pittdj+@iyonix.home>,
David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.plus.com> wrote:
> In message <f92ae088-4f98-46f6-af78-823ae60b9781@netsurf-browser.org>
> vincent sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> > I have recently changed how web searches are initiated in the core of
> > NetSurf (CI builds 6789 and later)
> [snip]
> > There is also the option "search_url_bar" which when set to 1 allows
> > searches to be performed through the url bar.
Two or more words are just fine. A "+" before a
> single word also ducks the issue.
> This is on the RISC OS Netsurf.
Pun alert "Ducks" ??
--
Chris Newman
David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.plus.com> wrote:
> In message <f92ae088-4f98-46f6-af78-823ae60b9781@netsurf-browser.org>
> vincent sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> > I have recently changed how web searches are initiated in the core of
> > NetSurf (CI builds 6789 and later)
> [snip]
> > There is also the option "search_url_bar" which when set to 1 allows
> > searches to be performed through the url bar.
Two or more words are just fine. A "+" before a
> single word also ducks the issue.
> This is on the RISC OS Netsurf.
Pun alert "Ducks" ??
--
Chris Newman
[netsurf-users] Re: Web search changes
In article <f92ae088-4f98-46f6-af78-823ae60b9781@netsurf-browser.org>,
vincent sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I have therefore selected (with consultation of the other developers)
> DuckDuckGo as an alternative *default* provider as they still permit
> search without Javascript
Personaly, I have always preferred to use Duckduckgo as my search engine.
--
Stuart Winsor
Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/
vincent sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I have therefore selected (with consultation of the other developers)
> DuckDuckGo as an alternative *default* provider as they still permit
> search without Javascript
Personaly, I have always preferred to use Duckduckgo as my search engine.
--
Stuart Winsor
Tools With A Mission
sending tools across the world
http://www.twam.co.uk/
Sunday, 23 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Web search changes
In message <f92ae088-4f98-46f6-af78-823ae60b9781@netsurf-browser.org>
vincent sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I have recently changed how web searches are initiated in the core of
> NetSurf (CI builds 6789 and later)
[snip]
> There is also the option "search_url_bar" which when set to 1 allows
> searches to be performed through the url bar.
Thanks for the update to a more amenable search engine.
I note that "search_url_bar" is set to 1 by default and so works out
of the box.
Initially the feature appeared not to be working but that turned out
to be that a single word search is interpreted as a URL which Netsurf
attempts to fetch. Two or more words are just fine. A "+" before a
single word also ducks the issue.
This is on the RISC OS Netsurf.
HTH.
--
David Pitt
vincent sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> I have recently changed how web searches are initiated in the core of
> NetSurf (CI builds 6789 and later)
[snip]
> There is also the option "search_url_bar" which when set to 1 allows
> searches to be performed through the url bar.
Thanks for the update to a more amenable search engine.
I note that "search_url_bar" is set to 1 by default and so works out
of the box.
Initially the feature appeared not to be working but that turned out
to be that a single word search is interpreted as a URL which Netsurf
attempts to fetch. Two or more words are just fine. A "+" before a
single word also ducks the issue.
This is on the RISC OS Netsurf.
HTH.
--
David Pitt
[netsurf-users] Web search changes
I have recently changed how web searches are initiated in the core of
NetSurf (CI builds 6789 and later)
This was initiated by Google changing to mandating extensive "anti bot"
javascript which NetSurf currently cannot process.
There does not appear to be any exception to this and Google have simply
ignored my attempt to contact them.
I have therefore selected (with consultation of the other developers)
DuckDuckGo as an alternative *default* provider as they still permit
search without Javascript
Somewhat annoyingly the Duck Duck Go favicon is served as a window
bitmap file with PNG encoding (which is not currently supported in
libbmp) so for the present time users will only see the default icon here.
The core browser web search has been present for some time but only a
handful of frontends allowed it to be configured. Indeed most frontends
do not even initialize the search providers (I added it to RISC OS in CI
build 6790)
The "search_web_provider entry" in the Choices file controls which
provider is used (e.g. "search_web_provider:Yahoo" means yahoo will be
used or "search_web_provider:DuckDuckGo" which is the new default)
There is also the option "search_url_bar" which when set to 1 allows
searches to be performed through the url bar.
The default welcome page has been amended to use the configured provider
rather than forcing users to edit the html source.
I am investigating adding the ability to configure the web search
provider in more frontends (at least RISC OS) as manually configuring
the Choices is not user friendly.
The current list of search providers is held in the file
https://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/resources/SearchEngines
and if more providers should be added I am open to suggestions.
NetSurf (CI builds 6789 and later)
This was initiated by Google changing to mandating extensive "anti bot"
javascript which NetSurf currently cannot process.
There does not appear to be any exception to this and Google have simply
ignored my attempt to contact them.
I have therefore selected (with consultation of the other developers)
DuckDuckGo as an alternative *default* provider as they still permit
search without Javascript
Somewhat annoyingly the Duck Duck Go favicon is served as a window
bitmap file with PNG encoding (which is not currently supported in
libbmp) so for the present time users will only see the default icon here.
The core browser web search has been present for some time but only a
handful of frontends allowed it to be configured. Indeed most frontends
do not even initialize the search providers (I added it to RISC OS in CI
build 6790)
The "search_web_provider entry" in the Choices file controls which
provider is used (e.g. "search_web_provider:Yahoo" means yahoo will be
used or "search_web_provider:DuckDuckGo" which is the new default)
There is also the option "search_url_bar" which when set to 1 allows
searches to be performed through the url bar.
The default welcome page has been amended to use the configured provider
rather than forcing users to edit the html source.
I am investigating adding the ability to configure the web search
provider in more frontends (at least RISC OS) as manually configuring
the Choices is not user friendly.
The current list of search providers is held in the file
https://git.netsurf-browser.org/netsurf.git/tree/resources/SearchEngines
and if more providers should be added I am open to suggestions.
Saturday, 22 February 2025
[netsurf-users] DuckDuckGo as default search engine
Now that "google no longer operates at all without extensive
javascript support" Netsurf 6789 attempts to change the default search
engine to DuckDuckGo, as embedded in the welcome page.
https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/6789/changes
It doesn't quite work here. A search errors with, "Error occurred
fetching page", and this in the URL bar :-
about:websearch?q=elephant
Specifying https://html.duckduckgo.com/html explicitly in
welcome.html, rather than about:websearch does allow the search to
work.
--
David Pitt
javascript support" Netsurf 6789 attempts to change the default search
engine to DuckDuckGo, as embedded in the welcome page.
https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/netsurf/6789/changes
It doesn't quite work here. A search errors with, "Error occurred
fetching page", and this in the URL bar :-
about:websearch?q=elephant
Specifying https://html.duckduckgo.com/html explicitly in
welcome.html, rather than about:websearch does allow the search to
work.
--
David Pitt
Thursday, 20 February 2025
[netsurf-dev] import node and owner
Hello,
I'm trying to implement replaceWith.
Code like this:
dom_node *el; // current node to be replaced
dom_node *new_child; // from other document
dom_node *imported_node;
dom_document *doc;
exc = dom_node_get_owner_document(el, &doc);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!doc\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
exc = dom_node_import_node(doc, new_child, true, &imported_node);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!imported\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *parent = NULL;
exc = dom_node_get_parent_node(el, &parent);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!parent\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *res = NULL;
exc = dom_node_replace_child(parent, imported_node, el, &res);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!replace\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
I tried various combinations, but the last exc is 4.
In code of libdom there is the dom_node_set_owner macro, but it is never called.
Is there a trick to make it work?
Or could you confirm that, there is a bug in the libdom library?
How to fix it?
Regards,
Witold Filipczyk
I'm trying to implement replaceWith.
Code like this:
dom_node *el; // current node to be replaced
dom_node *new_child; // from other document
dom_node *imported_node;
dom_document *doc;
exc = dom_node_get_owner_document(el, &doc);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!doc\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
exc = dom_node_import_node(doc, new_child, true, &imported_node);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!imported\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *parent = NULL;
exc = dom_node_get_parent_node(el, &parent);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!parent\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
dom_node *res = NULL;
exc = dom_node_replace_child(parent, imported_node, el, &res);
if (exc != DOM_NO_ERR) {
fprintf(stderr, "!replace\n");
fprintf(stderr, "exc=%d\n", exc);
return;
}
I tried various combinations, but the last exc is 4.
In code of libdom there is the dom_node_set_owner macro, but it is never called.
Is there a trick to make it work?
Or could you confirm that, there is a bug in the libdom library?
How to fix it?
Regards,
Witold Filipczyk
Sunday, 9 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 9 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:
> Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
> the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
> hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
> would be none the wiser.
>
It's CSS-related (or at least it becomes visible when CSS is disabled).
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Those who neglect the past do not deserve the future.
Paul Stewart wrote:
> Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
> the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
> hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
> would be none the wiser.
>
It's CSS-related (or at least it becomes visible when CSS is disabled).
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Those who neglect the past do not deserve the future.
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <df0c89ec5b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
> run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
> browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
> paranoid. :-(
> Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
> up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
> abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
> page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
> some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
It will be good when NetSurf gets a more functional version of Javascript.
Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
would be none the wiser.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
> run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
> browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
> paranoid. :-(
> Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
> up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
> abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
> page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
> some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
It will be good when NetSurf gets a more functional version of Javascript.
Not sure if it is JS related or CSS, but be good for the menu bar along
the top of google.com/uk page to display. You can see it is there by
hovering the mouse pointer over it, but if you were not aware of it you
would be none the wiser.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 9 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
Paul Stewart wrote:
> In message <5bec81139cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>
> John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> > Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> >>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> >>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> >>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> >> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> >> from Google.
>
> > What happens if you enable JS?
>
> It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
> generates a blank page.
Yes, that's what I'm getting at the moment.
>
> However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
> enabled.
>
I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
paranoid. :-(
Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
St George for England - St Pancras for Scotland
Paul Stewart wrote:
> In message <5bec81139cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>
> John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> > Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> >>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> >>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> >>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> >> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> >> from Google.
>
> > What happens if you enable JS?
>
> It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
> generates a blank page.
Yes, that's what I'm getting at the moment.
>
> However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
> enabled.
>
I get the impression that all these work until they 'notice you' (i.e.
run a randomized check on your particular query), after which your
browser agent/IP address go onto a block list. But that's probably
paranoid. :-(
Anyway, trying a new combination works for a while but then always ends
up blocked... and it doesn't appear to be anything to do with the actual
abilities of the browser, with the possible exception of the 'blank
page' result, which I assume to be the site using JavaScript to throw up
some kind of interactive 'are you a bot' test.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
St George for England - St Pancras for Scotland
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <a84fade15b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
> JavaScript, after intermittent blocks:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
> They don't currently appear to be doing anything than testing whether JS
> is enabled in the browser, rather than actually using it to manipulate
> the results display, because simply switching JS on in Netsurf produces
> the same listings as before (whereas it has no effect on most 'requires
> JavaScript' sites beyond slowing down the rendering of the page).
> DuckDuckGo displays a completely blank page with nothing in it but a
> text icon, which appears to work for searching with JS both on and off,
> but is not reassuring....
Searchy by Andrew Poole appears to work okay with Google still. Just have
to make sure you have JS switched on in NS.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> Google.co.uk appears to have permanently disabled search results without
> JavaScript, after intermittent blocks:
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42719865
> They don't currently appear to be doing anything than testing whether JS
> is enabled in the browser, rather than actually using it to manipulate
> the results display, because simply switching JS on in Netsurf produces
> the same listings as before (whereas it has no effect on most 'requires
> JavaScript' sites beyond slowing down the rendering of the page).
> DuckDuckGo displays a completely blank page with nothing in it but a
> text icon, which appears to work for searching with JS both on and off,
> but is not reassuring....
Searchy by Andrew Poole appears to work okay with Google still. Just have
to make sure you have JS switched on in NS.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <5bec81139cjohn@jaharrison.me.uk>
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
>> from Google.
> What happens if you enable JS?
It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
generates a blank page.
However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
enabled.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
> Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
>>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
>> from Google.
> What happens if you enable JS?
It does indeed work. However searching from google.co.uk does not. Just
generates a blank page.
However, rather interestingly, searching from google.com does work with JS
enabled.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In article <911372ec5b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > The URL of the search that worked was:
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> > le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> from Google.
What happens if you enable JS?
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
The Europeans invest to provide value. The Anglo Saxons only invest to reduce costs. (Sir Alister Morton, Chairman of EuroTunnel)
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > The URL of the search that worked was:
> > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> > le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page
> from Google.
What happens if you enable JS?
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
The Europeans invest to provide value. The Anglo Saxons only invest to reduce costs. (Sir Alister Morton, Chairman of EuroTunnel)
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <5be8e99ef3john@jaharrison.me.uk>
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page from
Google. Using NetSurf build 6786
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
John Harrison <john@jaharrison.me.uk> wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
When I try that URL I get the "Enable JavaScript to use search" page from
Google. Using NetSurf build 6786
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Tuesday, 4 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <2c3f1be95b.harriet@bazleyfamily.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
> John Harrison wrote:
>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
> display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
> detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
> see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
The URL above works on all three machines:- ARMX6, Qube, and two Pi
machines, 4te and Qube.
I don't know what to make of it, but notice that the above URL is http,
not https.
--
John Rickman
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
> John Harrison wrote:
>> The URL of the search that worked was:
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Goog
>> le+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
> NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
> display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
> detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
> see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
The URL above works on all three machines:- ARMX6, Qube, and two Pi
machines, 4te and Qube.
I don't know what to make of it, but notice that the above URL is http,
not https.
--
John Rickman
Sunday, 2 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
John Harrison wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> and of the one that didn't was:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
>
NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Old Programmers never die. They just terminate and stay resident
John Harrison wrote:
> The URL of the search that worked was:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
>
> and of the one that didn't was:
>
> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
>
NB neither search works here, even with JavaScript enabled - they just
display a complete blank window followed by the "Our systems have
detected unusual traffic from your computer network. This page checks to
see if it's really you sending the requests, and not a robot" message.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Old Programmers never die. They just terminate and stay resident
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
On 2 Feb 2025 as I do recall,
John Harrison wrote:
> In article <3f66d9e85b.John@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
> John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
>
> How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
> JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
>
I think that may be a red herring; turning on JavaScript worked for me
on my ARMX6 for a while, and then I just got some kind of "we have
decided that you are a robot" error and it stopped working.
And Jean-Michel reported that he needed to keep wiping NetSurf's cookies
file before using Google search in order to avoid the same issue.
So it may well be completely unrelated to the OS or whether you are
using google.com or google.co.uk, and simply a random check that they
run every so many searches before flagging you up as a 'bad actor'....
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
John Harrison wrote:
> In article <3f66d9e85b.John@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
> John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> > ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
>
> How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
> JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
>
I think that may be a red herring; turning on JavaScript worked for me
on my ARMX6 for a while, and then I just got some kind of "we have
decided that you are a robot" error and it stopped working.
And Jean-Michel reported that he needed to keep wiping NetSurf's cookies
file before using Google search in order to avoid the same issue.
So it may well be completely unrelated to the OS or whether you are
using google.com or google.co.uk, and simply a random check that they
run every so many searches before flagging you up as a 'bad actor'....
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Abstinence makes the heart grow fonder.
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In article <3f66d9e85b.John@rickman.argonet.co.uk>,
John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
Then (on 4te2) instead of using the Google search in NetSurf welcome page
I went to google.com and searched from there. That also worked. So the
fact that the search is initiated from the local Netsurf page rather than
from Google's website seems significant.
The URL of the search that worked was:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
and of the one that didn't was:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
There is no such thing as a failed experiment, only an experiment with an unexpected outcome. (Richard Buckminster-Fuller)
John Rickman <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> ... Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but not with ...
How odd. I hadn't tried before but I just did. It asked me to turn on
JS, and then the search worked. But with 4te2 I get nothing.
Then (on 4te2) instead of using the Google search in NetSurf welcome page
I went to google.com and searched from there. That also worked. So the
fact that the search is initiated from the local Netsurf page rather than
from Google's website seems significant.
The URL of the search that worked was:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en-GB&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=fred&btnG=Google+Search&iflsig=ACkRmUkAAAAAZ5-R19mlrKh1xYmpEN0bFHEzGVRCegvD&gbv=1
and of the one that didn't was:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fred&btnG=Google+Search
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
There is no such thing as a failed experiment, only an experiment with an unexpected outcome. (Richard Buckminster-Fuller)
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <df4f70e85b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
What is puzzling is that Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but
not with my Qube CM4. The NetSurf version is the same on both machines. It
might ne accounted for by different levels of OSARMX6 is on 5.31 and Qube
is using 5.29.
The Qube produces a blank page for NetSurf Google searches of the
internet. If I use it to search my own website it puts up an are you a
robot page.
Curious as obviously both machines use the same internet access ip
address.
John
--
John Rickman
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
What is puzzling is that Google search works with NetSurf on ARMX6, but
not with my Qube CM4. The NetSurf version is the same on both machines. It
might ne accounted for by different levels of OSARMX6 is on 5.31 and Qube
is using 5.29.
The Qube produces a blank page for NetSurf Google searches of the
internet. If I use it to search my own website it puts up an are you a
robot page.
Curious as obviously both machines use the same internet access ip
address.
John
--
John Rickman
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In article <df4f70e85b.phorefaux@a9home.lan>,
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> 've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
Only in part. If you do a search and then select Images it goes blank,
and the options get scrambled so you can't easily get back. For some odd
reason that doesn't happen if I select Videos, which seems to work OK
(though obviously I can't open the videos, so not much use),
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change those that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. (Reinhold Niehbuhr)
Paul Stewart <dmarc-noreply@freelists.org> wrote:
> 've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
> https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
> Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
Only in part. If you do a search and then select Images it goes blank,
and the options get scrambled so you can't easily get back. For some odd
reason that doesn't happen if I select Videos, which seems to work OK
(though obviously I can't open the videos, so not much use),
--
John Harrison
Website http://jaharrison.me.uk
Using 4té2 and ARMX6, both running RISC OS
Grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change those that I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. (Reinhold Niehbuhr)
Saturday, 1 February 2025
[netsurf-users] Re: Google search
In message <109836e25b.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2025 Harriet Bazley wrote:
>> "The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, ?fewer than
>> .1%? of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
>> That?s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
>> billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
>> performing searches through Google aren?t using JavaScript."
> Well .1% of 8.5 billion is still a big figure.
> In any case I do have javascript turned on and still get blocked.
I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 19 Jan 2025 Harriet Bazley wrote:
>> "The Google spokesperson told TechCrunch that, on average, ?fewer than
>> .1%? of searches on Google are done by people who disable JavaScript.
>> That?s no small number at Google scale. Google processes around 8.5
>> billion searches per day, so one can assume that millions of people
>> performing searches through Google aren?t using JavaScript."
> Well .1% of 8.5 billion is still a big figure.
> In any case I do have javascript turned on and still get blocked.
I've now switched my NetSurf home page to Yahoo:
https://uk.yahoo.com/?p=uk
Generally loads okay with NetSurf and the search also works.
--
Paul Stewart Sent from A9home running RISC OS 4.42
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