On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> In article <96f819f055.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>> As you have a problem with both machines ...
>> I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both
>> machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff
>> gen on the ARMX6.
> Not quite.
> This was the post in question:
>>>> Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What
>>>> could they have in common which differs from other platforms?
>>> I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
>>> RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
>>> contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
>>> type?
> "the same behaviour" in reply to "there seem to be problems"
I meant the same behaviour as each other, not the same _different_
behaviour.
> Not confusing at all.
> Good night.
Good morning.
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Saturday, 17 December 2016
Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <96f819f055.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > As you have a problem with both machines ...
> I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both
> machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff
> gen on the ARMX6.
Not quite.
This was the post in question:
> > > Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What
> > > could they have in common which differs from other platforms?
> > I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
> > RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
> > contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
> > type?
"the same behaviour" in reply to "there seem to be problems"
Not confusing at all.
Good night.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > As you have a problem with both machines ...
> I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both
> machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff
> gen on the ARMX6.
Not quite.
This was the post in question:
> > > Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What
> > > could they have in common which differs from other platforms?
> > I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
> > RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
> > contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
> > type?
"the same behaviour" in reply to "there seem to be problems"
Not confusing at all.
Good night.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> As you have a problem with both machines ...
I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both
machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff
gen on the ARMX6.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> As you have a problem with both machines ...
I didn't say that. I said that the behaviour was the same on both
machines i.e. the page was working as intended and not showing duff
gen on the ARMX6.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <a8b6dcef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could
> > they have in common which differs from other platforms?
> I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
> RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
> contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
> type?
Well, I'm not sure there is an HTTP header which would tell me the OS nor
processor type of the machine hosting a visiting browser unless this is
included in the user agent string. Go here with any browser to see what
it is telling the world about itself in its User Agent HTTP header:
http://timil.com/temp/browser.php?version=latest
NetSurf 3.7 #3798 says "NetSurf/3.7 (RISC OS)".
Hopefully, a browser doesn't tell lies in that string or if a user
changes it then obviously it won't be detected OR checks for OS versions
and whatnot can be completely spurious and unreliable anyway. You almost
need Google Translate anyway to know that "...Windows NT 6.1; WOW64..."
is actually Windows7-64.
As I explained, the Calendar page detects the browser name in the
HTTP_USER_AGENT string.
The chunk of the page which does that and generates the welcome message
is here http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/netsurf?version=latest
The purpose of it is to do this:
Find out which Browser is visiting.
If it is NetSurf, Otter or Firefox print a personalised welcome message
then:
Is JavaScript active?
- yes: print one message in RED (using JavaScript)
- no: print in black, another message; If NetSurf, print some more.
As you have a problem with both machines it could indicate that your
network connection could be caching files somewhere incorrectly. Using a
dummy variable appended to a URL will/should force a fresh copy of that
file to be used and not a cached one:
http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/?version=latest
The user could be consistent in not changing the option in both browsers
correctly (!) or your copies of NetSurf (or your hardware) are corrupt
and should be replaced. It seems unlikely that both machines would have
the same problem unless you are running the exact same copy of NetSurf
via Share (as I do). But doing the same wrong thing on both machines
would be possible! After all, someone else with the same version and
hardware as you does not experience the same problem.
Well, back to the page being displayed (wrongly) in your NetSurfs, and
after ensuring that "Disable JavaScript" is ticked in the Content
Choices, what happens when you click on "Set" with Select?
If the Content Choices dialogue closes, is the Disable JavaScript option
still ticked if you then re-open it?
Another thing you could try is deleting whatever cache you have for
NetSurf. Use the Utility !ShowScrap (or into a command window type
Filer_OpenDir <Wimp$ScrapDir>
and then press <Enter>). Delete the contents of WWW.NetSurf.Cache
There there could instead be a software clash so try and remove anything
non-standard. Have you added things such as MouseAxess to both machines?
I deleted that years ago following a tip and lots of supposedly unrelated
weirdness stopped happening
. We just need to find out what's causing yours.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could
> > they have in common which differs from other platforms?
> I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
> RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
> contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
> type?
Well, I'm not sure there is an HTTP header which would tell me the OS nor
processor type of the machine hosting a visiting browser unless this is
included in the user agent string. Go here with any browser to see what
it is telling the world about itself in its User Agent HTTP header:
http://timil.com/temp/browser.php?version=latest
NetSurf 3.7 #3798 says "NetSurf/3.7 (RISC OS)".
Hopefully, a browser doesn't tell lies in that string or if a user
changes it then obviously it won't be detected OR checks for OS versions
and whatnot can be completely spurious and unreliable anyway. You almost
need Google Translate anyway to know that "...Windows NT 6.1; WOW64..."
is actually Windows7-64.
As I explained, the Calendar page detects the browser name in the
HTTP_USER_AGENT string.
The chunk of the page which does that and generates the welcome message
is here http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/netsurf?version=latest
The purpose of it is to do this:
Find out which Browser is visiting.
If it is NetSurf, Otter or Firefox print a personalised welcome message
then:
Is JavaScript active?
- yes: print one message in RED (using JavaScript)
- no: print in black, another message; If NetSurf, print some more.
As you have a problem with both machines it could indicate that your
network connection could be caching files somewhere incorrectly. Using a
dummy variable appended to a URL will/should force a fresh copy of that
file to be used and not a cached one:
http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/?version=latest
The user could be consistent in not changing the option in both browsers
correctly (!) or your copies of NetSurf (or your hardware) are corrupt
and should be replaced. It seems unlikely that both machines would have
the same problem unless you are running the exact same copy of NetSurf
via Share (as I do). But doing the same wrong thing on both machines
would be possible! After all, someone else with the same version and
hardware as you does not experience the same problem.
Well, back to the page being displayed (wrongly) in your NetSurfs, and
after ensuring that "Disable JavaScript" is ticked in the Content
Choices, what happens when you click on "Set" with Select?
If the Content Choices dialogue closes, is the Disable JavaScript option
still ticked if you then re-open it?
Another thing you could try is deleting whatever cache you have for
NetSurf. Use the Utility !ShowScrap (or into a command window type
Filer_OpenDir <Wimp$ScrapDir>
and then press <Enter>). Delete the contents of WWW.NetSurf.Cache
There there could instead be a software clash so try and remove anything
non-standard. Have you added things such as MouseAxess to both machines?
I deleted that years ago following a tip and lots of supposedly unrelated
weirdness stopped happening
. We just need to find out what's causing yours.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <55efef95a0brian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <55efd852c1tim@timil.com>, Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> > In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> > <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> [Snip]
> > Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure.
> If objectively reporting what I am seeing here with the latest release
> of NetSurf constitutes obtuseness then I plead guilty.
Sorry, Brian, I thought for a moment this was Twitter and I was being
trolled.
I have amended the messages and hope it is more easily understood.
http://timil.com/riscos/calendar
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <55efd852c1tim@timil.com>, Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> > In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> > <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> [Snip]
> > Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure.
> If objectively reporting what I am seeing here with the latest release
> of NetSurf constitutes obtuseness then I plead guilty.
Sorry, Brian, I thought for a moment this was Twitter and I was being
trolled.
I have amended the messages and hope it is more easily understood.
http://timil.com/riscos/calendar
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <55efd852c1tim@timil.com>,
Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Snip]
> Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure.
If objectively reporting what I am seeing here with the latest release of
NetSurf constitutes obtuseness then I plead guilty.
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Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
> <brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
[Snip]
> Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure.
If objectively reporting what I am seeing here with the latest release of
NetSurf constitutes obtuseness then I plead guilty.
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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <db4adcef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > In article <4c8196ef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> >> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a
> >> link associated with an event the page opens in the window in the
> >> middle of your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back
> >> to the calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't
> >> help.
> > JHC.
> > Use <Adjust> when you click on a link.
> > I can't reprogramme Google Calendar.
> Granted, but you need to know in advance that you'll need to Adjust-
> click on any link off the calendar. Of course the root cause is that
> NetSurf doesn't save updates to iframes it its history.
I have added a note to help people less familiar with the workings of
NetSurf and RISC OS.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > In article <4c8196ef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> >> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a
> >> link associated with an event the page opens in the window in the
> >> middle of your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back
> >> to the calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't
> >> help.
> > JHC.
> > Use <Adjust> when you click on a link.
> > I can't reprogramme Google Calendar.
> Granted, but you need to know in advance that you'll need to Adjust-
> click on any link off the calendar. Of course the root cause is that
> NetSurf doesn't save updates to iframes it its history.
I have added a note to help people less familiar with the workings of
NetSurf and RISC OS.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could
> they have in common which differs from other platforms?
I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
type?
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could
> they have in common which differs from other platforms?
I'm puzzled because I'm getting the same behaviour on both ARMX6 and
RiscPC, as I would expect using the same version of NetSurf. Does it
contain any alternative paths depending on OS version or processor
type?
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 17 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> In article <4c8196ef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>,
> Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link
>> associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of
>> your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the
>> calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help.
> JHC.
> Use <Adjust> when you click on a link.
> I can't reprogramme Google Calendar.
Granted, but you need to know in advance that you'll need to Adjust-
click on any link off the calendar. Of course the root cause is that
NetSurf doesn't save updates to iframes it its history.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> In article <4c8196ef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>,
> Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link
>> associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of
>> your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the
>> calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help.
> JHC.
> Use <Adjust> when you click on a link.
> I can't reprogramme Google Calendar.
Granted, but you need to know in advance that you'll need to Adjust-
click on any link off the calendar. Of course the root cause is that
NetSurf doesn't save updates to iframes it its history.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <eb73adef55.bryan@helpful.demon.co.uk>, Bryan Hogan
<netsurf@helpful.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> However having just turned my ARMini back on and tried again, I now
> get the version that says "Welcome NetSurf user, you have JS
> disabled". So something must have been wrong with the page caching.
Sounds likely.
> However, the calendar still doesn't display. Now I briefly get a "Bad
> redirect URL" error in NetSurf's status bar :-(
I've only seen messages like that with Phoenix. ;-)
Also odd, because when I select the HTML-only link it doesn't seem to
redirect at all.
> NetSurf v3.6 (19th Nov 2016) - the release version.
> Others have it working so there must be something going on here. I'll
> have more of a play over the weekend.
Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could
they have in common which differs from other platforms?
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<netsurf@helpful.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[Snip]
> However having just turned my ARMini back on and tried again, I now
> get the version that says "Welcome NetSurf user, you have JS
> disabled". So something must have been wrong with the page caching.
Sounds likely.
> However, the calendar still doesn't display. Now I briefly get a "Bad
> redirect URL" error in NetSurf's status bar :-(
I've only seen messages like that with Phoenix. ;-)
Also odd, because when I select the HTML-only link it doesn't seem to
redirect at all.
> NetSurf v3.6 (19th Nov 2016) - the release version.
> Others have it working so there must be something going on here. I'll
> have more of a play over the weekend.
Hmm. There seem to be problems with both ARMini and ARMx6. What could
they have in common which differs from other platforms?
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <d8bd95ef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Brian Jordan wrote:
> > I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
> > Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
> > calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to
> > disable Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and
> > reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not
> > appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to
> > display correctly. You can visit the HTML-only version of this page
> > at:<URL>
> > NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.
> It's contradictory.
No it isn't.
> When you open the page it says "Your Javascript
> ios disabled as it should be" at the top, then underneath Google
> calendar says "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but
> this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. ...". However
> if you follow the link the calendar display comes up.
Beacause it's offering you the non-JavaScript alternative. You need to
select it. Oh, what a hardship.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Brian Jordan wrote:
> > I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
> > Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
> > calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to
> > disable Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and
> > reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not
> > appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to
> > display correctly. You can visit the HTML-only version of this page
> > at:<URL>
> > NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.
> It's contradictory.
No it isn't.
> When you open the page it says "Your Javascript
> ios disabled as it should be" at the top, then underneath Google
> calendar says "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but
> this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. ...". However
> if you follow the link the calendar display comes up.
Beacause it's offering you the non-JavaScript alternative. You need to
select it. Oh, what a hardship.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <4c8196ef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>,
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link
> associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of
> your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the
> calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help.
JHC.
Use <Adjust> when you click on a link.
I can't reprogramme Google Calendar.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link
> associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of
> your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the
> calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help.
JHC.
Use <Adjust> when you click on a link.
I can't reprogramme Google Calendar.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <55ef946fbbbrian.jordan9@btinternet.com>, Brian Jordan
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <cb298fef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> > > In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > > <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> > >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> > >>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on,
> > >>>> even though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see
> > >>>> the site again.
> > >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON
> > >>> is rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> > >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that
> > >>> Content Choice option.
> > >>> #3798 works as expected.
> > >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
> > > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
> > How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
> > that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me
> > that it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that
> > happen?
> > Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
> > running?
> I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
> Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
> calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to
> disable Javascript and reload this page"
Correct
> If I then disable JS and
> reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not
> appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to
> display correctly.
Correct. It didn't did it? With NetSurf's semi-JavaScript enabled you saw
a white page with only "RISC OS Event Calendar" written in it.
> You can visit the HTML-only version of this page
> at:<URL>
Yes, so what you do is click on the HTML-only version.
Why do people find this complicated?
I have no means to change the message Google Calendar puts in the iframe
but if you think it through, it makes complete sense and you have to
click on the HTML-only version because the browser you are using is, um,
incomplete.
Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure.
--
Tim Hill
timil.com : tjrh.eu : butterwick.eu : blue-bike.uk : youngtheatre.co.uk
<brian.jordan9@btinternet.com> wrote:
> In article <cb298fef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> > On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> > > In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > > <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> > >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> > >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> > >>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on,
> > >>>> even though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see
> > >>>> the site again.
> > >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON
> > >>> is rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> > >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that
> > >>> Content Choice option.
> > >>> #3798 works as expected.
> > >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
> > > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
> > How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
> > that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me
> > that it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that
> > happen?
> > Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
> > running?
> I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
> Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
> calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to
> disable Javascript and reload this page"
Correct
> If I then disable JS and
> reload the page the display area has a message "Your browser does not
> appear to support JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to
> display correctly.
Correct. It didn't did it? With NetSurf's semi-JavaScript enabled you saw
a white page with only "RISC OS Event Calendar" written in it.
> You can visit the HTML-only version of this page
> at:<URL>
Yes, so what you do is click on the HTML-only version.
Why do people find this complicated?
I have no means to change the message Google Calendar puts in the iframe
but if you think it through, it makes complete sense and you have to
click on the HTML-only version because the browser you are using is, um,
incomplete.
Or perhaps you are being deliberately obtuse, I'm not sure.
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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Chris Young wrote:
>> On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter
>> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>>>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
>>>e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
>> http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html
>> Chris
> Useful page.
+1
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> On 16 Dec 2016 Chris Young wrote:
>> On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter
>> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>>>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
>>>e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
>> http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html
>> Chris
> Useful page.
+1
Peter.
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Friday, 16 December 2016
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In message <55ef509b5etim@timil.com>
Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
>>From Newsgroup: comp.sys.acorn.misc
> Subject: Re: London Show news
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:20
> In article <acbd4eef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <4ec82cef55.bryan@helpful.demon.co.uk>, Bryan Hogan
>>> <spam@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Although the Events Calendar doesn't work in NetSurf, so also have a
>>>> nomination in the Broken Cog category :-D
>>> It does, why have you got javascript switched on? ;-)
>>> Fixed that for you:
>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
>> again.
> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
I had js off when I first visited the page, but received what must
have been the js version, with just a blank white box in the middle of
the page. So I then tried with js on, still got the exact same page.
However having just turned my ARMini back on and tried again, I now
get the version that says "Welcome NetSurf user, you have JS
disabled". So something must have been wrong with the page caching.
However, the calendar still doesn't display. Now I briefly get a "Bad
redirect URL" error in NetSurf's status bar :-(
NetSurf v3.6 (19th Nov 2016) - the release version.
Others have it working so there must be something going on here. I'll
have more of a play over the weekend.
Thanks,
Bryan.
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Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
>>From Newsgroup: comp.sys.acorn.misc
> Subject: Re: London Show news
> Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:20
> In article <acbd4eef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
> <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
>>> In article <4ec82cef55.bryan@helpful.demon.co.uk>, Bryan Hogan
>>> <spam@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Although the Events Calendar doesn't work in NetSurf, so also have a
>>>> nomination in the Broken Cog category :-D
>>> It does, why have you got javascript switched on? ;-)
>>> Fixed that for you:
>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
>> again.
> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
I had js off when I first visited the page, but received what must
have been the js version, with just a blank white box in the middle of
the page. So I then tried with js on, still got the exact same page.
However having just turned my ARMini back on and tried again, I now
get the version that says "Welcome NetSurf user, you have JS
disabled". So something must have been wrong with the page caching.
However, the calendar still doesn't display. Now I briefly get a "Bad
redirect URL" error in NetSurf's status bar :-(
NetSurf v3.6 (19th Nov 2016) - the release version.
Others have it working so there must be something going on here. I'll
have more of a play over the weekend.
Thanks,
Bryan.
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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Chris Young wrote:
> On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter
> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
>>e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
> http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html
> Chris
Useful page.
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter
> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
>>e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
> http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html
> Chris
Useful page.
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Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 December 2016 22:49:06 GMT+00:00, Richard Porter <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
>e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html
Chris
>Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
>e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
http://www.javatester.org/javascript.html
Chris
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link
associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of
your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the
calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help.
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
I've run into a slight problem with the calendar. If you click a link
associated with an event the page opens in the window in the middle of
your page. There doesn't appear to be any way to get back to the
calendar short of starting again. The back button doesn't help.
--
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Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Brian Jordan wrote:
> I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
> Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
> calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable
> Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page
> the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support
> JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly.
> You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at:<URL>
> NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.
It's contradictory. When you open the page it says "Your Javascript
ios disabled as it should be" at the top, then underneath Google
calendar says "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but
this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. ...". However
if you follow the link the calendar display comes up.
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
> Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
> calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable
> Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page
> the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support
> JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly.
> You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at:<URL>
> NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.
It's contradictory. When you open the page it says "Your Javascript
ios disabled as it should be" at the top, then underneath Google
calendar says "Your browser does not appear to support JavaScript but
this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly. ...". However
if you follow the link the calendar display comes up.
--
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Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Peter Young wrote:
[ http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ ]
>>>> #3798 works as expected.
>>> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
>> Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
> How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
> that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that
> it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?
> Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
> running?
I've just tried it on my ARMX6 (OS 5.23) and it works just the same.
Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
[ http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/ ]
>>>> #3798 works as expected.
>>> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
>> Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
> How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
> that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that
> it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?
> Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
> running?
I've just tried it on my ARMX6 (OS 5.23) and it works just the same.
Have you got a test page that tells you if javascript is on or off
e.g. <p>Javascript is <noscript>NOT</noscript> enabled.</p> ?
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <cb298fef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>,
Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> > In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> >>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> >>>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> >>>> again.
> >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> >>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
> >>> Choice option.
> >>> #3798 works as expected.
> >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
> > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
> How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
> that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that
> it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?
> Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
> running?
I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable
Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page
the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support
JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly.
You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at:<URL>
NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.
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Virtual RPC-AdjustSA on Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
RISC OS 6.20
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Peter Young <pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> > In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> > <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> >> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> >>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> >>>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> >>>> again.
> >>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> >>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> >>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
> >>> Choice option.
> >>> #3798 works as expected.
> >> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
> > Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
> How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
> that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that
> it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?
> Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
> running?
I have JavaScript enabled here as a matter of course (Choices-->
Content--> Not ticked, which appears to be the default setting. The
calendar display is incomplete with the message "You may need to disable
Javascript and reload this page" If I then disable JS and reload the page
the display area has a message "Your browser does not appear to support
JavaScript but this page needs to use JavaScript to display correctly.
You can visit the HTML-only version of this page at:<URL>
NetSurf #3803 is doing my head in, Boss.
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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@timil.com> wrote:
> In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
>>>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
>>>> again.
>>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
>>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
>>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
>>> Choice option.
>>> #3798 works as expected.
>> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
> Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that
it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?
Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
running?
I only asked :-)
Best wishes,
Peter.
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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
> In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
> <ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
>> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>>>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
>>>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
>>>> again.
>>> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
>>> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
>>> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
>>> Choice option.
>>> #3798 works as expected.
>> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
> Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
How? I can only report what I see! I call up the site, it tells me
that JavaScript is on, I turn it off, and the site still tells me that
it's still on. How could I have made an error that made that happen?
Is it something to do with the ARMX6, or with something else that I'm
running?
I only asked :-)
Best wishes,
Peter.
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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
In article <f4c16bef55.ricp@user.minijem.plus.com>, Richard Porter
<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> >> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> >> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> >> again.
> > Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> > rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> > You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
> > Choice option.
> > #3798 works as expected.
> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
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<ricp@minijem.plus.com> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
> >>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> >> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> >> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> >> again.
> > Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> > rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> > You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content
> > Choice option.
> > #3798 works as expected.
> Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
Thanks. I'll assume 'user error'.
--
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Re: Javascript ON when it's OFF
On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill wrote:
>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
>> again.
> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content Choice
> option.
> #3798 works as expected.
Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
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I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
>>> http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
>> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
>> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
>> again.
> Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
> rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
> You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content Choice
> option.
> #3798 works as expected.
Works on #3803 here (6.20 RPC)
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Javascript ON when it's OFF
>From Newsgroup: comp.sys.acorn.misc
Subject: Re: London Show news
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:20
In article <acbd4eef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
<pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4ec82cef55.bryan@helpful.demon.co.uk>, Bryan Hogan
> > <spam@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >> Although the Events Calendar doesn't work in NetSurf, so also have a
> >> nomination in the Broken Cog category :-D
> > It does, why have you got javascript switched on? ;-)
> > Fixed that for you:
> > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> again.
Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content Choice
option.
#3798 works as expected.
*** Posted to NetSurf Users Mailing List***
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Subject: Re: London Show news
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 10:20
In article <acbd4eef55.pnyoung@pnyoung.ormail.co.uk>, Peter Young
<pnyoung@ormail.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16 Dec 2016 Tim Hill <tim@invalid.org.uk> wrote:
> > In article <4ec82cef55.bryan@helpful.demon.co.uk>, Bryan Hogan
> > <spam@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> >> Although the Events Calendar doesn't work in NetSurf, so also have a
> >> nomination in the Broken Cog category :-D
> > It does, why have you got javascript switched on? ;-)
> > Fixed that for you:
> > http://timil.com/riscos/calendar/
> Not working here, #3803. The site says that JavaScript is on, even
> though I've turned it off, quit NetSurf and tried to see the site
> again.
Must be a problem with that version. The message saying it is ON is
rendered with Javascript so how can it possibly be disabled?
You shouldn't need to quit, only reload after SETting that Content Choice
option.
#3798 works as expected.
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Wednesday, 7 December 2016
hell yeah cookies mailman accept pls
%{
/* DISCLAIMER: ONLY WORKS ON REMOTE URLS */
const char *cookie_str;
struct html_content *htmlc;
dom_exception err;
err = dom_node_get_user_data(priv->
corestring_dom___ns_key_html_
&htmlc);
if((err == DOM_NO_ERR) && (htmlc != NULL)) {
cookie_str = duk_get_string(ctx,0);
if(cookie_str != NULL) {
urldb_set_cookie(cookie_str,
llcache_handle_get_url(htmlc-
0);
return 1;
}
} else {
LOG("error getting htmlc. parent node:%p htmlc:%p",
priv->parent.node, htmlc);
}
return 0;
%}
Saturday, 3 December 2016
bad copy-paste in atari Makefile?
I just noticed this in frontends/atari/Makefile:
STACK := $(wildcard $(GCCSDK_INSTALL_CROSSBIN)/*stack)
...
ifneq ($(strip $(STACK)),)
$(Q)$(STACK) -S 256k $(EXETARGET)
endif
I guess this will never be used?
François.
STACK := $(wildcard $(GCCSDK_INSTALL_CROSSBIN)/*stack)
...
ifneq ($(strip $(STACK)),)
$(Q)$(STACK) -S 256k $(EXETARGET)
endif
I guess this will never be used?
François.
Wednesday, 30 November 2016
Re: Comments and the JS engine
On 30/11/16 13:37, Brendan Stephenson wrote:
> Either the javascript engine is choking on <!-- because it doesn't understand it, or it is treating it the same as a html comment, which is even worse.
Duktape upstream is aware of this:
https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/pull/564
Cheers,
--
Michael Drake http://www.codethink.co.uk/
> Either the javascript engine is choking on <!-- because it doesn't understand it, or it is treating it the same as a html comment, which is even worse.
Duktape upstream is aware of this:
https://github.com/svaarala/duktape/pull/564
Cheers,
--
Michael Drake http://www.codethink.co.uk/
Comments and the JS engine
Netsurf's javascript engine seems to choke on this:
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
code goes here
//-->
</script>
<script type="text/javascript">
<!--
code goes here
//-->
</script>
I'm pretty sure that <!-- is meant to be treated as meaning the same thing as // in the sense that it represents the start of a single line comment.
Either the javascript engine is choking on <!-- because it doesn't understand it, or it is treating it the same as a html comment, which is even worse.
More info here:
http://www.javascripter.net/faq/comments.htm
| www.javascripter.net Question: How do I insert comments in JavaScript code? Answer: JavaScript supports three different types of comments: Multiple-line C-style comments. |
Tuesday, 29 November 2016
Re: Website not renendering correctly
On 25 Nov 2016 Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> Has been confirmed by others.
And has now been fixed in #3789. Thanks, Michael.
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
> Hi,
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> Has been confirmed by others.
And has now been fixed in #3789. Thanks, Michael.
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
Sunday, 27 November 2016
Re: Website not renendering correctly
In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>least #3784 on it seems.
>
>Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
I've just discovered that NetSurf 3.6 was released on 2016 November 19
(8 days ago as I type this). It renders OK in 3.6 too.
Dave
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>least #3784 on it seems.
>
>Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
I've just discovered that NetSurf 3.6 was released on 2016 November 19
(8 days ago as I type this). It renders OK in 3.6 too.
Dave
Saturday, 26 November 2016
Re: Website not renendering correctly
On 26 Nov 2016 Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> Chris Newman wrote:
>> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>
>> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>> least #3784 on it seems.
>>
> What's it supposed to do that it doesn't?
> (I just see a detailed description of how to set up a LanMan98 share.)
Yes, the problem was accessing Bernard's front page, not his
networking one. The front page was badly rendered, but in only some
versions of the OS. A work-round has been found, but the bug report is
still active.
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
> On 25 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> Chris Newman wrote:
>> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>
>> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>> least #3784 on it seems.
>>
> What's it supposed to do that it doesn't?
> (I just see a detailed description of how to set up a LanMan98 share.)
Yes, the problem was accessing Bernard's front page, not his
networking one. The front page was badly rendered, but in only some
versions of the OS. A work-round has been found, but the bug report is
still active.
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
Re: Website not renendering correctly
In message <382bc7e455.DaveMeUK@my.inbox.com>
Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>
>>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>>least #3784 on it seems.
>
>Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
>versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
>was made available).
Specifically: it's OK in 3762 and faulty in 3763.
Dave
Dave Higton <dave@davehigton.me.uk> wrote:
>In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>
>>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>>least #3784 on it seems.
>
>Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
>versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
>was made available).
Specifically: it's OK in 3762 and faulty in 3763.
Dave
Re: Website not renendering correctly
In message <55e51740a7cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>In article <mpro.oh92h1001k2ur0eqj.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>,
> David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
>> Peter Slegg, on 26 Nov, wrote:
>
>> >
>> > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Newman
>> > > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
>> > > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
>> > > <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com> Hi,
>> > >
>> > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>> > >
>> > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>> > > least #3784 on it seems.
>> > >
>> > > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
>> > >
>> > > Has been confirmed by others.
>> > >
>> >
>> > On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
>> > stacked on top of each other.
>
>> Set "Hide advertisements".
>
>Ah! Now works again with that setting. How perceptive of you.
But that isn't the point, is it? Either setting or clearing "Hide
advertisements" shouldn't cause multiple lines of text to be
superimposed. Something is wrong.
Dave
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>In article <mpro.oh92h1001k2ur0eqj.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>,
> David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
>> Peter Slegg, on 26 Nov, wrote:
>
>> >
>> > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Newman
>> > > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
>> > > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
>> > > <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com> Hi,
>> > >
>> > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>> > >
>> > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>> > > least #3784 on it seems.
>> > >
>> > > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
>> > >
>> > > Has been confirmed by others.
>> > >
>> >
>> > On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
>> > stacked on top of each other.
>
>> Set "Hide advertisements".
>
>Ah! Now works again with that setting. How perceptive of you.
But that isn't the point, is it? Either setting or clearing "Hide
advertisements" shouldn't cause multiple lines of text to be
superimposed. Something is wrong.
Dave
Re: Website not renendering correctly
In article <mpro.oh92h1001k2ur0eqj.pittdj@pittdj.co.uk>,
David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter Slegg, on 26 Nov, wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Newman
> > > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
> > > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
> > > <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com> Hi,
> > >
> > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> > >
> > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> > > least #3784 on it seems.
> > >
> > > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> > >
> > > Has been confirmed by others.
> > >
> >
> > On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
> > stacked on top of each other.
> Set "Hide advertisements".
Ah! Now works again with that setting. How perceptive of you.
--
Chris
David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Peter Slegg, on 26 Nov, wrote:
> >
> > > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Newman
> > > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
> > > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
> > > <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com> Hi,
> > >
> > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> > >
> > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> > > least #3784 on it seems.
> > >
> > > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> > >
> > > Has been confirmed by others.
> > >
> >
> > On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
> > stacked on top of each other.
> Set "Hide advertisements".
Ah! Now works again with that setting. How perceptive of you.
--
Chris
Re: Website not renendering correctly
Peter Slegg, on 26 Nov, wrote:
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Newman
> > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
> > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
> > <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com> Hi,
> >
> > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> >
> > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> > least #3784 on it seems.
> >
> > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> >
> > Has been confirmed by others.
> >
>
> On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
> stacked on top of each other.
Set "Hide advertisements".
--
David Pitt
>
> > Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Chris Newman
> > <cvjazz@waitrose.com> Subject: Website not renendering correctly To:
> > netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org Message-ID:
> > <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com> Hi,
> >
> > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> >
> > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> > least #3784 on it seems.
> >
> > Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> >
> > Has been confirmed by others.
> >
>
> On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
> stacked on top of each other.
Set "Hide advertisements".
--
David Pitt
Re: Website not renendering correctly
> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2016 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT)
> From: Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Subject: Website not renendering correctly
> To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org
> Message-ID: <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Hi,
>
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
>
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
>
> Has been confirmed by others.
>
On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
stacked on top of each other.
Peter
Milan-060 Atari clone
> From: Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Subject: Website not renendering correctly
> To: netsurf-users@netsurf-browser.org
> Message-ID: <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Hi,
>
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
>
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
>
> Has been confirmed by others.
>
On Vn 3784 Atari, it appears much the same, three lines of text all
stacked on top of each other.
Peter
Milan-060 Atari clone
Re: Website not renendering correctly
David Pitt, on 26 Nov, wrote:
> Peter Young, on 26 Nov, wrote:
>
> > On 26 Nov 2016 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
> >
> > > > In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> > >> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > > > > Hi,
> > >>>
> > > > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> > >>>
> > > > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward.
> > > > > From at least #3784 on it seems.
> > >>
> > > > Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
> > > > versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
> > > > was made available).
> >
> > > Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
> >
> > > I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
> >
> > Not good with *this* 5.23 :-( RComp version, 29-Jun-16
>
> It is OK here with OS5.23 (06-Jun-16) on a Titanium.
>
> OTOH it fails on the Iyonix with both 5.22 13-Apr-15 and 5.23 26-Nov-16.
>
> !Fonts was the same on both the Iyonix and the Titanium.
>
P.S. It is also good on the RPi3 OS5.23 12-Nov-16.
--
David Pitt
> Peter Young, on 26 Nov, wrote:
>
> > On 26 Nov 2016 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > > Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
> >
> > > > In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> > >> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > > > > Hi,
> > >>>
> > > > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> > >>>
> > > > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward.
> > > > > From at least #3784 on it seems.
> > >>
> > > > Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
> > > > versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
> > > > was made available).
> >
> > > Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
> >
> > > I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
> >
> > Not good with *this* 5.23 :-( RComp version, 29-Jun-16
>
> It is OK here with OS5.23 (06-Jun-16) on a Titanium.
>
> OTOH it fails on the Iyonix with both 5.22 13-Apr-15 and 5.23 26-Nov-16.
>
> !Fonts was the same on both the Iyonix and the Titanium.
>
P.S. It is also good on the RPi3 OS5.23 12-Nov-16.
--
David Pitt
Re: Website not renendering correctly
Peter Young, on 26 Nov, wrote:
> On 26 Nov 2016 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
>
> > > In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> >> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> >>
> > > > Hi,
> >>>
> > > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> >>>
> > > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward.
> > > > From at least #3784 on it seems.
> >>
> > > Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
> > > versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range was
> > > made available).
>
> > Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
>
> > I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
>
> Not good with *this* 5.23 :-( RComp version, 29-Jun-16
It is OK here with OS5.23 (06-Jun-16) on a Titanium.
OTOH it fails on the Iyonix with both 5.22 13-Apr-15 and 5.23 26-Nov-16.
!Fonts was the same on both the Iyonix and the Titanium.
--
David Pitt
> On 26 Nov 2016 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
>
> > > In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> >> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> >>
> > > > Hi,
> >>>
> > > > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> >>>
> > > > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward.
> > > > From at least #3784 on it seems.
> >>
> > > Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
> > > versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range was
> > > made available).
>
> > Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
>
> > I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
>
> Not good with *this* 5.23 :-( RComp version, 29-Jun-16
It is OK here with OS5.23 (06-Jun-16) on a Titanium.
OTOH it fails on the Iyonix with both 5.22 13-Apr-15 and 5.23 26-Nov-16.
!Fonts was the same on both the Iyonix and the Titanium.
--
David Pitt
Re: Website not renendering correctly
On 26 Nov 2016 David Pitt <pittdj@pittdj.co.uk> wrote:
> Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
>> In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
>> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>>
>>> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>>> least #3784 on it seems.
>>
>> Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
>> versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range was made
>> available).
> Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
> I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
Not good with *this* 5.23 :-( RComp version, 29-Jun-16
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
> Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
>> In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
>> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>>>
>>> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>>> least #3784 on it seems.
>>
>> Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
>> versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range was made
>> available).
> Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
> I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
Not good with *this* 5.23 :-( RComp version, 29-Jun-16
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
Peter Young (zfc Ir) and family
Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
Friday, 25 November 2016
Re: Website not renendering correctly
Dave Higton, on 25 Nov, wrote:
> In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> >
> > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> > least #3784 on it seems.
>
> Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
> versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range was made
> available).
Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
--
David Pitt
> In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
> Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> >
> > Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> > least #3784 on it seems.
>
> Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
> versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range was made
> available).
Something has tripped up OS4.42 and earlier, but all good on OS5.23.
I have uploaded a screen dump of the issue to the bug tracker.
--
David Pitt
Re: Website not renendering correctly
On 25 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
Chris Newman wrote:
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
>
What's it supposed to do that it doesn't?
(I just see a detailed description of how to set up a LanMan98 share.)
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Let a fool hold his tongue and he will pass for a sage.
Chris Newman wrote:
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
>
What's it supposed to do that it doesn't?
(I just see a detailed description of how to set up a LanMan98 share.)
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Let a fool hold his tongue and he will pass for a sage.
Re: Website not renendering correctly
On 25 Nov 2016 Chris Newman wrote:
> Hi,
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> Has been confirmed by others.
OK on 3783 except that the background colour doesn't go all the way
down to the bottom.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
> Hi,
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> Has been confirmed by others.
OK on 3783 except that the background colour doesn't go all the way
down to the bottom.
--
Richard Porter http://www.minijem.plus.com/
Skype: minijem2 mailto:ricp@minijem.plus.com
I don't want a "user experience" - I just want stuff that works.
Re: Website not renendering correctly
In message <55e4bd72e6cvjazz@waitrose.com>
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>least #3784 on it seems.
Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
was made available).
Dave
Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
>
>Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
>least #3784 on it seems.
Behaviour changed between 3751 and 3777, which are the nearest two
versions I have downloaded (I was away from home while that range
was made available).
Dave
Re: Website not renendering correctly
On 25 Nov 2016 Chris Newman <cvjazz@waitrose.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> Has been confirmed by others.
And I've put in a bug report.
http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2484
No response from the developers yet. I've also let Bernard know that
there's a problem with his website.
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
> Hi,
> http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
> Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
> least #3784 on it seems.
> Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
> Has been confirmed by others.
And I've put in a bug report.
http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org/mantis/view.php?id=2484
No response from the developers yet. I've also let Bernard know that
there's a problem with his website.
Best wishes,
Peter.
--
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Prestbury, Cheltenham, Glos. GL52, England
http://pnyoung.orpheusweb.co.uk
pnyoung@ormail.co.uk
Website not renendering correctly
Hi,
http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
least #3784 on it seems.
Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
Has been confirmed by others.
--
Chris
http://www.bapfish.org.uk/networking.htm
Which formally worked splendidly has now gone mammaries skyward. From at
least #3784 on it seems.
Still OK in the old Netsurf 3.5.
Has been confirmed by others.
--
Chris
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
On 25 November 2016 09:57:04 GMT+00:00, Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
>I'll put in a formal feature suggestion (via Sourceforge?)
http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org
Chris
>I'll put in a formal feature suggestion (via Sourceforge?)
http://bugs.netsurf-browser.org
Chris
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
Harriet Bazley wrote on 24 Nov:
>> [Jim wrote:] The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
>> But where is the history saved?
> Choices:WWW.Netsurf.URL I think.
Ahh, yes. That filename wasn't obvious till hindsight.
And now that I look at the directory with Full Info and date order,
behold the three files Hotlist, URL and Cookies at the top of the
list, stamped with the exact time I shut down last night.
I'll put in a formal feature suggestion (via Sourceforge?) that
additions to Hotlist ought to save themselves immediately (or the user
being given a chance to save them manually, at least).
I can't be the only Netsurf user who has ever lost stuff like this
because of the machine losing power or freezing, and Netsurf not
having the chance to quit correctly.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
>> [Jim wrote:] The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
>> But where is the history saved?
> Choices:WWW.Netsurf.URL I think.
Ahh, yes. That filename wasn't obvious till hindsight.
And now that I look at the directory with Full Info and date order,
behold the three files Hotlist, URL and Cookies at the top of the
list, stamped with the exact time I shut down last night.
I'll put in a formal feature suggestion (via Sourceforge?) that
additions to Hotlist ought to save themselves immediately (or the user
being given a chance to save them manually, at least).
I can't be the only Netsurf user who has ever lost stuff like this
because of the machine losing power or freezing, and Netsurf not
having the chance to quit correctly.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
Thursday, 24 November 2016
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
On 24 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
Jim Nagel wrote:
[snip]
> The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
> But where is the history saved?
>
Choices:WWW.Netsurf.URL I think.
--
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Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground... and missing.
Jim Nagel wrote:
[snip]
> The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
> But where is the history saved?
>
Choices:WWW.Netsurf.URL I think.
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Flying is the art of throwing yourself at the ground... and missing.
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
Harriet Bazley wrote on 23 Nov:
> On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> Jim Nagel wrote:
>> Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
>> program?
>>
> No, it doesn't.
> An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume,
> and it's not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be nice
> at least if editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant file -
> it's not something that happens all that often, unlike opening new
> pages, and unlike in other programs there's no way to 'save your work'
> manually.
> It's a bit counter-intuitive that the only way to ensure that
> changes to the program data are preserved is to quit the program
> immediately after making them!
Amen to that! Counterintuitive indeed.
The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
But where is the history saved?
--
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Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603
Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861
>> before emailing large files (>1Mb), please ask me for FTP details
> On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> Jim Nagel wrote:
>> Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
>> program?
>>
> No, it doesn't.
> An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume,
> and it's not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be nice
> at least if editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant file -
> it's not something that happens all that often, unlike opening new
> pages, and unlike in other programs there's no way to 'save your work'
> manually.
> It's a bit counter-intuitive that the only way to ensure that
> changes to the program data are preserved is to quit the program
> immediately after making them!
Amen to that! Counterintuitive indeed.
The hotlist is saved in Choices:WWW.Netsurf
But where is the history saved?
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
Abbey Press 32 Norbins Rd (01458) 83 3603
Glastonbury BA6 9JG pocket 0797 415 3861
>> before emailing large files (>1Mb), please ask me for FTP details
Wednesday, 23 November 2016
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
In message <8c1f76e355.harriet@blueyonder.co.uk>
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> Jim Nagel wrote:
>
> > Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits
> > the program?
> >
> No, it doesn't.
> An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume,
> and it's not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be
> nice at least if editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant
> file - it's not something that happens all that often, unlike opening
> new pages, and unlike in other programs there's no way to 'save your
> work' manually. It's a bit counter-intuitive that the only way to
> ensure that changes to the program data are preserved is to quit the
> program immediately after making them!
This is a particular problem for BookMaker.
If the user adds any pages to the hotlist, BookMaker registers that the
hotlist has changed, and the "Save" button on the toolbar becomes
active. But if you save the hotlilst and then quit Netsurf, Netsurf
very kindly overwrites the version you've saved from BookMaker with its
own internal copy. This got so frustrating that now BookMaker won't let
you save a Netsurf hotlist if Netsurf is still running.
This does have one advantage - if/when Netsurf crashes, you can then
save the (updated) hotlist from BookMaker.
Eventually, I plan to add a patch to Netsurf, so that it checks on exit
for the use of a foreign hotlist manager, and avoid saving the hotlist
if one is in use. It's a bit daunting, as I'm going to have to start
from building a GCC environment on a virtual machine.
--
Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.
Harriet Bazley <lists@bazleyfamily.co.uk> wrote:
> On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
> Jim Nagel wrote:
>
> > Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits
> > the program?
> >
> No, it doesn't.
> An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume,
> and it's not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be
> nice at least if editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant
> file - it's not something that happens all that often, unlike opening
> new pages, and unlike in other programs there's no way to 'save your
> work' manually. It's a bit counter-intuitive that the only way to
> ensure that changes to the program data are preserved is to quit the
> program immediately after making them!
This is a particular problem for BookMaker.
If the user adds any pages to the hotlist, BookMaker registers that the
hotlist has changed, and the "Save" button on the toolbar becomes
active. But if you save the hotlilst and then quit Netsurf, Netsurf
very kindly overwrites the version you've saved from BookMaker with its
own internal copy. This got so frustrating that now BookMaker won't let
you save a Netsurf hotlist if Netsurf is still running.
This does have one advantage - if/when Netsurf crashes, you can then
save the (updated) hotlist from BookMaker.
Eventually, I plan to add a patch to Netsurf, so that it checks on exit
for the use of a foreign hotlist manager, and avoid saving the hotlist
if one is in use. It's a bit daunting, as I'm going to have to start
from building a GCC environment on a virtual machine.
--
Nick Roberts tigger @ orpheusinternet.co.uk
Hanlon's Razor: Never attribute to malice that which
can be adequately explained by stupidity.
archivepix
Using NetSurf #3782 on RO 5.23 on Rpi2.
I note that the last few issues of NetSurf do not seem to be able to
process http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html in a reasonable
amount of time. Some loop somewhere? Chrome on Raspbian on Rpi3
displays it almost instantaneously.
--
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Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
I note that the last few issues of NetSurf do not seem to be able to
process http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html in a reasonable
amount of time. Some loop somewhere? Chrome on Raspbian on Rpi3
displays it almost instantaneously.
--
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Home page: http://www.wra1th.plus.com/
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
In article <c77953e355.jim@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
<netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website
Jim - you might find the links in the middle column on this page
useful:-
http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html
John
--
John Rickman
<netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website
Jim - you might find the links in the middle column on this page
useful:-
http://rickman.orpheusweb.co.uk/lynx/lynxweb.html
John
--
John Rickman
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
On 23 Nov 2016 as I do recall,
Jim Nagel wrote:
> Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
> program?
>
No, it doesn't.
An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume, and it's
not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be nice at least if
editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant file - it's not
something that happens all that often, unlike opening new pages, and unlike
in other programs there's no way to 'save your work' manually. It's a bit
counter-intuitive that the only way to ensure that changes to the program
data are preserved is to quit the program immediately after making them!
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Confession is good for the soul, but bad for the career.
Jim Nagel wrote:
> Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
> program?
>
No, it doesn't.
An attempt to avoid constant unpredictable disc accesses, I assume, and it's
not a problem until the program crashes, but it would be nice at least if
editing the hotlist physically updated the relevant file - it's not
something that happens all that often, unlike opening new pages, and unlike
in other programs there's no way to 'save your work' manually. It's a bit
counter-intuitive that the only way to ensure that changes to the program
data are preserved is to quit the program immediately after making them!
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Confession is good for the soul, but bad for the career.
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
In article <c77953e355.jim@abbeypress.net>, Jim Nagel
<netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website
[snip]
On balance, I find
www.w3schools.com
better than HTML.com
YMMV
--
Tim Hill
www.timil.com
web sites * multimedia * training
<netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
> my website
[snip]
On balance, I find
www.w3schools.com
better than HTML.com
YMMV
--
Tim Hill
www.timil.com
web sites * multimedia * training
Re: history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
In article <c77953e355.jim@abbeypress.net>,
Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.
On quitting, same as its cookies. So if you want to do different user
stuff, NetSurf has to be quitted before changing the Choices location.
I do this to access my wife's FaceBook and GMail - with her permission, of
course. on a machine I can do something sensible with the data on! Things
like save out pictures full size, print off tickets etcetera.
For simplicity I have separate complete Choices files and a change-user
script which checks if NS is running and stops to warn me if it is.
Quitting NS automatically seemed a bit like overkill - it helps to remember
what's going on if you have to do it yourself!
John
--
| John Williams
| johnrw@ukgateway.net
Names for Soul Band:- Soul Doubt *
Jim Nagel <netsurf@abbeypress.co.uk> wrote:
> Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.
On quitting, same as its cookies. So if you want to do different user
stuff, NetSurf has to be quitted before changing the Choices location.
I do this to access my wife's FaceBook and GMail - with her permission, of
course. on a machine I can do something sensible with the data on! Things
like save out pictures full size, print off tickets etcetera.
For simplicity I have separate complete Choices files and a change-user
script which checks if NS is running and stops to warn me if it is.
Quitting NS automatically seemed a bit like overkill - it helps to remember
what's going on if you have to do it yourself!
John
--
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| johnrw@ukgateway.net
Names for Soul Band:- Soul Doubt *
Tuesday, 22 November 2016
history and hotlist not saved; CSS site
Does Netsurf not save its hotlist and history till the user quits the
program?
Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
my website, came across a wonderful site and immediately added it to
my Netsurf hotlist. An hour later, some other application froze and
the computer had to be rebooted.
Today I wanted to return to that site about CSS, but there was no
record of it in my hotlist. Nor in my history. Tried all sorts of
searches via Google and Duckduck -- no luck. Bereft.
Is there any way to make Netsurf save history and hotlist during a
session? Or am I misunderstanding something?
As for the site I lost, maybe somebody else knows it and could point
me in the right direction.
- Exceptionally clean design. The bits of code within sentences were
presented with a grey background.
- Fine use of language, not cutesy or nerdy or commercial.
- It had a surprisingly nifty name, one syllable I think, almost in
the league of web.com or code.com -- so simple it made me wonder that
the writers found it still available.
- Further surprise when I got to a deeper page: it was a UK company,
despite the ".com" domain, located somewhere like Shoreditch or
Marylebone.
Stop press: Found it! It's html.com
Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
program?
Last night I was looking for tips on how to use CSS for something on
my website, came across a wonderful site and immediately added it to
my Netsurf hotlist. An hour later, some other application froze and
the computer had to be rebooted.
Today I wanted to return to that site about CSS, but there was no
record of it in my hotlist. Nor in my history. Tried all sorts of
searches via Google and Duckduck -- no luck. Bereft.
Is there any way to make Netsurf save history and hotlist during a
session? Or am I misunderstanding something?
As for the site I lost, maybe somebody else knows it and could point
me in the right direction.
- Exceptionally clean design. The bits of code within sentences were
presented with a grey background.
- Fine use of language, not cutesy or nerdy or commercial.
- It had a surprisingly nifty name, one syllable I think, almost in
the league of web.com or code.com -- so simple it made me wonder that
the writers found it still available.
- Further surprise when I got to a deeper page: it was a UK company,
despite the ".com" domain, located somewhere like Shoreditch or
Marylebone.
Stop press: Found it! It's html.com
Back to original Q about when Netsurf saves its hotlist.
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
Saturday, 19 November 2016
ppc-amigaos toolchain
Hi
Can somebody please rebuild the ppc-amigaos toolchain for me,
especially if there's a release coming as I'd like my libjpeg-turbo
fix to be present in it.
Thanks
Chris
Can somebody please rebuild the ppc-amigaos toolchain for me,
especially if there's a release coming as I'd like my libjpeg-turbo
fix to be present in it.
Thanks
Chris
Thursday, 17 November 2016
Re: [Rpcemu] Full screen mode bug and other things
In message <CAC85+4LVjva0AHM1WLmRzYFrhxzStaUorCPqNwJHOfQRyzF1GA@mail.gmail.com>
on 17 Nov 2016 David Feugey wrote:
> *Bug*
> When going from windowed to full screen mode, rpcemu hangs.
>
> The problem is linked to "follow host mouse".
> If you deactivate it while switching, all works OK.
>
> Could someone compiled rpcemu with a "disable follow host mouse", "enable
> follow host mouse" around the code that is fired when switching?
Ah - I have had that bug, and I thought it was something wrong with my
monitor definition file. I had not connected it to the mouse following code.
I hope this can be fixed! This was the bug I was trying to remember when I
spoke to Matthew Howkins briefly at the London Show. On my previous laptop,
which must have had a version of RPCEmu without that bug, I used full screen
mode most of the time, as in the windowed environment you cannot pull the
mouse down to the bottom of the screen to bring the iconbar to the front. (I
realise you can press Shift-F12 but it doesn't come naturally.)
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on 17 Nov 2016 David Feugey wrote:
> *Bug*
> When going from windowed to full screen mode, rpcemu hangs.
>
> The problem is linked to "follow host mouse".
> If you deactivate it while switching, all works OK.
>
> Could someone compiled rpcemu with a "disable follow host mouse", "enable
> follow host mouse" around the code that is fired when switching?
Ah - I have had that bug, and I thought it was something wrong with my
monitor definition file. I had not connected it to the mouse following code.
I hope this can be fixed! This was the bug I was trying to remember when I
spoke to Matthew Howkins briefly at the London Show. On my previous laptop,
which must have had a version of RPCEmu without that bug, I used full screen
mode most of the time, as in the windowed environment you cannot pull the
mouse down to the bottom of the screen to bring the iconbar to the front. (I
realise you can press Shift-F12 but it doesn't come naturally.)
--
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Durham
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Non-displaying page
http://employees.csbsju.edu/hjakubowski/classes/ch331/transkinetics/olinhibition.html
It's a css problem, as commenting out the css makes it visible.
Dunno if it's a bug or a fault in the css...
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http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!
It's a css problem, as commenting out the css makes it visible.
Dunno if it's a bug or a fault in the css...
--
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http://www.Torrens.org.uk for genealogy, natural history, wild food, walks, cats
and more!
[Rpcemu] Full screen mode bug and other things
Bug
When going from windowed to full screen mode, rpcemu hangs.
When going from windowed to full screen mode, rpcemu hangs.
The problem is linked to "follow host mouse".
Could someone compiled rpcemu with a "disable follow host mouse", "enable follow host mouse" around the code that is fired when switching?
Bug
Menu in full screen mode is on top of desktop, and not reachable anyway.Enhancement
An autoquit mode would be cool, to quit rpcemu when RISC OS is stopped.Enhancement
A SWI to get size of window (or screen) to adapt RISC OS to it with anymode.Would be cool for full screen mode, or for windowed mode, if the window can be resized.
Other enhancements?
User networking modeRe: [Rpcemu] Internet difficulties
Networking is really not easy on rpcemu.
A user mode Internet podule would be fantastic for non server apps.
I could even pay (quite a lot) for a bounty around this.A user mode Internet podule would be fantastic for non server apps.
I could say the same for callwin32.
2016-11-15 20:22 GMT+01:00 Philip <philip@theglovers.name>:
Hello there,
A few months ago I was able to connect to the internet from rpcemu quite happily. Since then I have upgraded from 8.14 to 8.15 rpcemu, to Mint 18 from 17.3, and OS5 from 5.21 to 5.23. On previous upgrades all has gone well, but I must have lost something along the way, as I cannot now connect at all.
I have tried to reconfigure the internet as before, using the Networking guide, but when I get to the "interfaces" window, all the buttons and windows are blanked out, so cannot be configured. If I then go on to the end of the process, I get the message "you have not configured the internet connection".
I have reloaded hard-disk4, but that has not helped. I have tried going back to previous versions of OS5 and rpcemu, but no joy. Any help gratefully received.
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Tuesday, 15 November 2016
[Rpcemu] Internet difficulties
Hello there,
A few months ago I was able to connect to the internet from rpcemu
quite happily. Since then I have upgraded from 8.14 to 8.15 rpcemu, to
Mint 18 from 17.3, and OS5 from 5.21 to 5.23. On previous upgrades all
has gone well, but I must have lost something along the way, as I cannot
now connect at all.
I have tried to reconfigure the internet as before, using the
Networking guide, but when I get to the "interfaces" window, all the
buttons and windows are blanked out, so cannot be configured. If I then
go on to the end of the process, I get the message "you have not
configured the internet connection".
I have reloaded hard-disk4, but that has not helped. I have tried
going back to previous versions of OS5 and rpcemu, but no joy. Any help
gratefully received.
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A few months ago I was able to connect to the internet from rpcemu
quite happily. Since then I have upgraded from 8.14 to 8.15 rpcemu, to
Mint 18 from 17.3, and OS5 from 5.21 to 5.23. On previous upgrades all
has gone well, but I must have lost something along the way, as I cannot
now connect at all.
I have tried to reconfigure the internet as before, using the
Networking guide, but when I get to the "interfaces" window, all the
buttons and windows are blanked out, so cannot be configured. If I then
go on to the end of the process, I get the message "you have not
configured the internet connection".
I have reloaded hard-disk4, but that has not helped. I have tried
going back to previous versions of OS5 and rpcemu, but no joy. Any help
gratefully received.
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Saturday, 5 November 2016
Thursday, 3 November 2016
Re: The Co-operative Bank
In article <5f244fd955.boase@boase.myzen.co.uk>, Bernard Boase
<b.boase@bcs.org> wrote:
> After many years of simple and effective access using Netsurf,
> today it appears that the Co-op Bank has decided to insist on
> client-side code for which Netsurf's minimal Javascript support is
> inadequate.
One of the most annoying aspects of RISC OS. I can put up with not
having good fast image processing software, even up to date
illustration software but I can't do without a decent Javascript
browser.
Thoroughly frustrated and I'm not blaming the NetSurf team for this as
they can only spend limited time and resources on development. NetSurf
is actually a very competent browser for speed with reasonable
reliability but because of this fundamental issue it is rapidly
becoming unusable.
Richard
<b.boase@bcs.org> wrote:
> After many years of simple and effective access using Netsurf,
> today it appears that the Co-op Bank has decided to insist on
> client-side code for which Netsurf's minimal Javascript support is
> inadequate.
One of the most annoying aspects of RISC OS. I can put up with not
having good fast image processing software, even up to date
illustration software but I can't do without a decent Javascript
browser.
Thoroughly frustrated and I'm not blaming the NetSurf team for this as
they can only spend limited time and resources on development. NetSurf
is actually a very competent browser for speed with reasonable
reliability but because of this fundamental issue it is rapidly
becoming unusable.
Richard
The Co-operative Bank
After many years of simple and effective access using Netsurf, today
it appears that the Co-op Bank has decided to insist on client-side
code for which Netsurf's minimal Javascript support is inadequate.
Bleaugh :-(
--
it appears that the Co-op Bank has decided to insist on client-side
code for which Netsurf's minimal Javascript support is inadequate.
Bleaugh :-(
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Tuesday, 1 November 2016
Re: Net-Surf post
On Tue, Nov 01, 2016 at 11:27:29 -0300, Marcos Marin wrote:
> Hello, sorry to bother but, I've tried to send a message on the dev forum
> and the archive seem to show some garbled thing..
>
> it seems other messages there, and other people, also happen this so, is
> this normal?
It is a bug in Mailman's archive tool where it shows base64'd content for some reason.
D.
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> Hello, sorry to bother but, I've tried to send a message on the dev forum
> and the archive seem to show some garbled thing..
>
> it seems other messages there, and other people, also happen this so, is
> this normal?
It is a bug in Mailman's archive tool where it shows base64'd content for some reason.
D.
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Net-Surf post
Hello, sorry to bother but, I've tried to send a message on the dev forum and the archive seem to show some garbled thing..
it seems other messages there, and other people, also happen this so, is this normal?
thanks,it seems other messages there, and other people, also happen this so, is this normal?
Monday, 31 October 2016
Framebuffer and Vulkan / WebGL
Hello,
I'm planning a more in-depth study of the GNU/Linux framebuffer.
I'd like to ask if there are plans to add webGL functionality (even if in mobile GLES form, as in the SVG Tiny subproject) to Netsurf and, if so, would it still be able to run on the raw framebuffer?
I see no mention of this on the Wiki nor any subproject related to it (except perhaps libNSFB?)
Also, is there any interest in incorporating Vulkan in such an implementation?
Thank you,
Marco.
I'm planning a more in-depth study of the GNU/Linux framebuffer.
I'd like to ask if there are plans to add webGL functionality (even if in mobile GLES form, as in the SVG Tiny subproject) to Netsurf and, if so, would it still be able to run on the raw framebuffer?
I see no mention of this on the Wiki nor any subproject related to it (except perhaps libNSFB?)
Also, is there any interest in incorporating Vulkan in such an implementation?
Thank you,
Marco.
Sunday, 30 October 2016
Re: Paypal and eBay
I've now run into a similar problem with Paypal -- links from Drag N
Drop to buy magazines now run into trouble because the Paypal site now
complains about Javascript.
Does anyone have any idea how to get round it? More importantly is it
going to take long to update Netsurf to be able to cope?
thanks
Chris.
On 28 Oct 2016 Harriet Bazley [mailto:
lists@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk] wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2016 as I do recall,
> Harriet Bazley wrote:
> [snip]
>> I can't seem to access the Paypal transactions at all, even using
>> the old workaround of the 'classic' Paypal site or by using the direct
>> transaction link from the eBay listing. I'm just getting a blank page,
>> which makes it rather difficult to print off shipping labels and very
>> difficult to know what my current balance is!
>>
>> Has something changed recently?
>>
> Turning JavaScript *off* seems to help - I can then access my transaction
> history using the old link of
> https://history.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history , having done the
> 'invisible log-in', which has been an issue for a long time (it logs you in,
> but appears not to have done so since it reopens the log-in screen
> afterwards).
> The elements that retain the cgi-bin links still seem to work;
> unfortunately a lot of the internal links have been changed/redirected to
> point to the new site, which seems to be entirely JS-driven and shows blank
> pages. Thus I can *add* money to Paypal from my bank account
> ("?cmd=_flow"), but can't withdraw it
> ("www.paypal.com/myaccount/home/withdraw")!
--
Chris
Drop to buy magazines now run into trouble because the Paypal site now
complains about Javascript.
Does anyone have any idea how to get round it? More importantly is it
going to take long to update Netsurf to be able to cope?
thanks
Chris.
On 28 Oct 2016 Harriet Bazley [mailto:
lists@orange.wingsandbeaks.org.uk] wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2016 as I do recall,
> Harriet Bazley wrote:
> [snip]
>> I can't seem to access the Paypal transactions at all, even using
>> the old workaround of the 'classic' Paypal site or by using the direct
>> transaction link from the eBay listing. I'm just getting a blank page,
>> which makes it rather difficult to print off shipping labels and very
>> difficult to know what my current balance is!
>>
>> Has something changed recently?
>>
> Turning JavaScript *off* seems to help - I can then access my transaction
> history using the old link of
> https://history.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history , having done the
> 'invisible log-in', which has been an issue for a long time (it logs you in,
> but appears not to have done so since it reopens the log-in screen
> afterwards).
> The elements that retain the cgi-bin links still seem to work;
> unfortunately a lot of the internal links have been changed/redirected to
> point to the new site, which seems to be entirely JS-driven and shows blank
> pages. Thus I can *add* money to Paypal from my bank account
> ("?cmd=_flow"), but can't withdraw it
> ("www.paypal.com/myaccount/home/withdraw")!
--
Chris
Friday, 28 October 2016
Re: Paypal and eBay
On 24 Oct 2016 as I do recall,
Harriet Bazley wrote:
[snip]
> I can't seem to access the Paypal transactions at all, even using
> the old workaround of the 'classic' Paypal site or by using the direct
> transaction link from the eBay listing. I'm just getting a blank page,
> which makes it rather difficult to print off shipping labels and very
> difficult to know what my current balance is!
>
> Has something changed recently?
>
Turning JavaScript *off* seems to help - I can then access my transaction
history using the old link of
https://history.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history , having done the
'invisible log-in', which has been an issue for a long time (it logs you in,
but appears not to have done so since it reopens the log-in screen
afterwards).
The elements that retain the cgi-bin links still seem to work;
unfortunately a lot of the internal links have been changed/redirected to
point to the new site, which seems to be entirely JS-driven and shows blank
pages. Thus I can *add* money to Paypal from my bank account
("?cmd=_flow"), but can't withdraw it
("www.paypal.com/myaccount/home/withdraw")!
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Life, don't talk to me about life....
Harriet Bazley wrote:
[snip]
> I can't seem to access the Paypal transactions at all, even using
> the old workaround of the 'classic' Paypal site or by using the direct
> transaction link from the eBay listing. I'm just getting a blank page,
> which makes it rather difficult to print off shipping labels and very
> difficult to know what my current balance is!
>
> Has something changed recently?
>
Turning JavaScript *off* seems to help - I can then access my transaction
history using the old link of
https://history.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_history , having done the
'invisible log-in', which has been an issue for a long time (it logs you in,
but appears not to have done so since it reopens the log-in screen
afterwards).
The elements that retain the cgi-bin links still seem to work;
unfortunately a lot of the internal links have been changed/redirected to
point to the new site, which seems to be entirely JS-driven and shows blank
pages. Thus I can *add* money to Paypal from my bank account
("?cmd=_flow"), but can't withdraw it
("www.paypal.com/myaccount/home/withdraw")!
--
Harriet Bazley == Loyaulte me lie ==
Life, don't talk to me about life....
Wednesday, 26 October 2016
Re: [Rpcemu] RPCEmu 0.8.15
I could add too that it will be great to have an option to start directly in fullscreen mode (if it works).
2016-10-26 20:49 GMT+02:00 David Feugey <dfeugey@ascinfo.fr>:
And I say yes!Thanks, thanks ant thanks again :)For the fullscreen bug, RPCEmu hangs only when "follow host mouse" is used.If not, it works. It even survives to alt tab, to ctrl end, etc.So if you deactivate "follow host mouse" code before going fullscreen. Tada! No crash.Nota: in fullscreen mode, RPCEmu menu does not work.Could we expect a 0.8.16 version with the fullscreen fix?(Pleaaaaaase)Bye, David2016-10-26 19:09 GMT+02:00 Peter Howkins <rpcemu.howkins@marutan.net>:A new version of RPCEmu is available, 0.8.15
http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/
Note: If compiling on Ubuntu 16.10 or derivatives please see the
information here. http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/linuxcompile.html
* All Platforms
- Issue with 8MB VRAM being less stable has been resolved, code is now
correctly allowed in the 2-8MB area.
- ARM SWP instruction correctly handles unaligned access.
- Enhancements to TLB to correctly flush caches on more operations.
* Windows
- The window maximise button has been disabled, as the size of the
window is determined by the mode in RISC OS.
Note: Using the windows install to upgrade from
previous versions may overwrite your cmos.ram
and rpc.cfg files.
Matthew Howkins
Peter Howkins
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[Rpcemu] Fwd: RPCEmu 0.8.15
And I say yes!
Thanks, thanks ant thanks again :)For the fullscreen bug, RPCEmu hangs only when "follow host mouse" is used.
If not, it works. It even survives to alt tab, to ctrl end, etc.
So if you deactivate "follow host mouse" code before going fullscreen. Tada! No crash.
Nota: in fullscreen mode, RPCEmu menu does not work.
Could we expect a 0.8.16 version with the fullscreen fix?
(Pleaaaaaase)
Bye, David
2016-10-26 19:09 GMT+02:00 Peter Howkins <rpcemu.howkins@marutan.net>:
A new version of RPCEmu is available, 0.8.15
http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/
Note: If compiling on Ubuntu 16.10 or derivatives please see the
information here. http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/linuxcompile.html
* All Platforms
- Issue with 8MB VRAM being less stable has been resolved, code is now
correctly allowed in the 2-8MB area.
- ARM SWP instruction correctly handles unaligned access.
- Enhancements to TLB to correctly flush caches on more operations.
* Windows
- The window maximise button has been disabled, as the size of the
window is determined by the mode in RISC OS.
Note: Using the windows install to upgrade from
previous versions may overwrite your cmos.ram
and rpc.cfg files.
Matthew Howkins
Peter Howkins
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[Rpcemu] RPCEmu 0.8.15
A new version of RPCEmu is available, 0.8.15
http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/
Note: If compiling on Ubuntu 16.10 or derivatives please see the
information here. http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/linuxcompile.html
* All Platforms
- Issue with 8MB VRAM being less stable has been resolved, code is now
correctly allowed in the 2-8MB area.
- ARM SWP instruction correctly handles unaligned access.
- Enhancements to TLB to correctly flush caches on more operations.
* Windows
- The window maximise button has been disabled, as the size of the
window is determined by the mode in RISC OS.
Note: Using the windows install to upgrade from
previous versions may overwrite your cmos.ram
and rpc.cfg files.
Matthew Howkins
Peter Howkins
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http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/
Note: If compiling on Ubuntu 16.10 or derivatives please see the
information here. http://www.marutan.net/rpcemu/linuxcompile.html
* All Platforms
- Issue with 8MB VRAM being less stable has been resolved, code is now
correctly allowed in the 2-8MB area.
- ARM SWP instruction correctly handles unaligned access.
- Enhancements to TLB to correctly flush caches on more operations.
* Windows
- The window maximise button has been disabled, as the size of the
window is determined by the mode in RISC OS.
Note: Using the windows install to upgrade from
previous versions may overwrite your cmos.ram
and rpc.cfg files.
Matthew Howkins
Peter Howkins
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Tuesday, 25 October 2016
Re: CSS and "media query" -- smartphone vs desktop
In article <20161025101401.GB2721@kyllikki.org>,
Vincent Sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:47:45AM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > Any chance of Netsurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
> > "media query"?
> It has been on our list of "important" things to do for some
> considerable time now. We know what needs to be done and how [1] but
> as usual development time is limited and noone has yet had time to
> work on the feature.
> >
> > Reason I ask is that I want to rejig my various websites (including
> > Archive's) so that (among other things) they will be readable on
> > smartphone screens as well as desktop screens.
[Snip]
I find that this meta tag immediately fixes lots of issues without having
to come up with a new CSS file for each and every device.
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
The viewport meta tag doesn't fix everything but is a good interim
measure until you have time to do things 'properly'.
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Vincent Sanders <vince@netsurf-browser.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:47:45AM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> > Any chance of Netsurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
> > "media query"?
> It has been on our list of "important" things to do for some
> considerable time now. We know what needs to be done and how [1] but
> as usual development time is limited and noone has yet had time to
> work on the feature.
> >
> > Reason I ask is that I want to rejig my various websites (including
> > Archive's) so that (among other things) they will be readable on
> > smartphone screens as well as desktop screens.
[Snip]
I find that this meta tag immediately fixes lots of issues without having
to come up with a new CSS file for each and every device.
<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
The viewport meta tag doesn't fix everything but is a good interim
measure until you have time to do things 'properly'.
--
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www.timil.com
web sites * multimedia * training
Re: CSS and "media query" -- smartphone vs desktop
On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 10:47:45AM +0100, Jim Nagel wrote:
> Any chance of Netsurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
> "media query"?
It has been on our list of "important" things to do for some
considerable time now. We know what needs to be done and how [1] but
as usual development time is limited and noone has yet had time to
work on the feature.
>
> Reason I ask is that I want to rejig my various websites (including
> Archive's) so that (among other things) they will be readable on
> smartphone screens as well as desktop screens.
>
> I gather that the "media query" in CSS would make it possible to have
> a single design to which the end-browser will respond accordingly --
> this would be much more elegant than having separate code for each
> target possibility.
it affects an increasingly large number of websites so its importance
as a feature is rising.
>
> My son Bart (now a pro web developer in Vancouver, but brought up on
> RiscOS so knows the scene) is helping on this. We're not aiming to do
> anything elaborate, but elegance yes please.
>
> There's probably a narticle for Archive magazine in all this!
>
> --
> Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
>
>
[1] note this has some bad language http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Css_media_queries
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> Any chance of Netsurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
> "media query"?
It has been on our list of "important" things to do for some
considerable time now. We know what needs to be done and how [1] but
as usual development time is limited and noone has yet had time to
work on the feature.
>
> Reason I ask is that I want to rejig my various websites (including
> Archive's) so that (among other things) they will be readable on
> smartphone screens as well as desktop screens.
>
> I gather that the "media query" in CSS would make it possible to have
> a single design to which the end-browser will respond accordingly --
> this would be much more elegant than having separate code for each
> target possibility.
it affects an increasingly large number of websites so its importance
as a feature is rising.
>
> My son Bart (now a pro web developer in Vancouver, but brought up on
> RiscOS so knows the scene) is helping on this. We're not aiming to do
> anything elaborate, but elegance yes please.
>
> There's probably a narticle for Archive magazine in all this!
>
> --
> Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
>
>
[1] note this has some bad language http://wiki.netsurf-browser.org/Css_media_queries
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Re: CSS and "media query" -- smartphone vs desktop
On 25/10/16 10:47, Jim Nagel wrote:
> Any chance of NetSurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
> "media query"?
It's something I'd like to get to soon. I've done a little thinking
about it, e.g.:
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/libcss.git/commit/?h=tlsa/media-queries&id=c80c8fa28f7ac131e0bbf90957d31f268797c79e
I'm hoping we'll be able to start looking at it more closely soon, but
who can say?
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> Any chance of NetSurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
> "media query"?
It's something I'd like to get to soon. I've done a little thinking
about it, e.g.:
http://source.netsurf-browser.org/libcss.git/commit/?h=tlsa/media-queries&id=c80c8fa28f7ac131e0bbf90957d31f268797c79e
I'm hoping we'll be able to start looking at it more closely soon, but
who can say?
--
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CSS and "media query" -- smartphone vs desktop
Any chance of Netsurf's CSS handling being extended a bit to support
"media query"?
Reason I ask is that I want to rejig my various websites (including
Archive's) so that (among other things) they will be readable on
smartphone screens as well as desktop screens.
I gather that the "media query" in CSS would make it possible to have
a single design to which the end-browser will respond accordingly --
this would be much more elegant than having separate code for each
target possibility.
My son Bart (now a pro web developer in Vancouver, but brought up on
RiscOS so knows the scene) is helping on this. We're not aiming to do
anything elaborate, but elegance yes please.
There's probably a narticle for Archive magazine in all this!
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
"media query"?
Reason I ask is that I want to rejig my various websites (including
Archive's) so that (among other things) they will be readable on
smartphone screens as well as desktop screens.
I gather that the "media query" in CSS would make it possible to have
a single design to which the end-browser will respond accordingly --
this would be much more elegant than having separate code for each
target possibility.
My son Bart (now a pro web developer in Vancouver, but brought up on
RiscOS so knows the scene) is helping on this. We're not aiming to do
anything elaborate, but elegance yes please.
There's probably a narticle for Archive magazine in all this!
--
Jim Nagel www.archivemag.co.uk
Monday, 24 October 2016
Re: [Rpcemu] Network time
In article <20161024162137.GB2224@spod.org>,
Peter Howkins <rpcemu.howkins@marutan.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 08:48:54PM +0100, Dave Symes wrote:
> > Evening folks,
> > I need a bit of info please.
> > Does RPCEmu pick up network time from the host machine's Windows
> > network time?
> RPCEmu takes the time from the host machine. How that is set
> (network/manual) is up to you in the host OS.
> Peter
Yes, Thanks.
After my question was answered on the VA List (Druck) I've rejigged all my
network clock stuff.
Both RPCEmu and VRPC are set to only use the Host clock, the Host clock on
Windows has been fixed to sync with network time daily, rather than the
default of once a week.
I shall find out this coming weekend if my time problem has been sorted.
Dave
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Peter Howkins <rpcemu.howkins@marutan.net> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 16, 2016 at 08:48:54PM +0100, Dave Symes wrote:
> > Evening folks,
> > I need a bit of info please.
> > Does RPCEmu pick up network time from the host machine's Windows
> > network time?
> RPCEmu takes the time from the host machine. How that is set
> (network/manual) is up to you in the host OS.
> Peter
Yes, Thanks.
After my question was answered on the VA List (Druck) I've rejigged all my
network clock stuff.
Both RPCEmu and VRPC are set to only use the Host clock, the Host clock on
Windows has been fixed to sync with network time daily, rather than the
default of once a week.
I shall find out this coming weekend if my time problem has been sorted.
Dave
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